16 valve engines - OEM, tuned + race outputs

The information is just confusing - that's all we can say. I will check some articles for more information.




Meanwhile I've just been checking homologation documents to see it they reveal more engines.

Idorap mentioned this one last year here for the Audi 80/A4 BTCC/STW cars:




And now I have found by chance a similar one for VW!



Could those engines be the Mk2 Golf Lehmann Supertourisme (post 47) ?


Also Seat checked too - all Ibiza info known about, but nothing about a Toledo (post 52) in French Supertourisme



The Toledo GT is this car. Which engine did it have?

All the listings are under each specific country - so Audi & VW under Germany and Seat under Spain. Nothing else homologated from South Africa, South America etc.

 

Some more reliable figures (in principle), from Racecar Engineering: 260 bhp @ 8,400 rpm. Nothing else quoted. Time is early 1997.

 

http://www.motorsportmarkt.de/frameset.php?kapitelx=1&language=de&thema=inserat_details&inserat_id=12055#

Quoting 282bhp - Not sure on origins?

Nice engine pic too. Slider throttle bodies/carbon ram horns etc..

 

that is some car - check out the rear - arb bolted to the rollcage with drop links to the axle, and big tubs for rear inner arches

 

The car is believed to be one of these from above, the ST designation likely translating to Super Touring / Super Tourisme, which means a base assumption that its dry sumped.

Spark plug lead covers are a curiousity I've not seen anywhere else.

The cerbon inlets are similar/same to an Ibiza Evo 1, shown at 1:33s here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-1jFjx_28s

I think these are Lehmann engines due to the link here (p42 of the porn thread for the whole page), but the inlets point towards the kitcar engine builder, Mader.

Really short of info on those cars.

Edit: what info there is on Mk2 Golf & Toledo Supertourisme, now added to post 3

 

Back to the road engines, ADL 100% confirmed as 10.5:1 OEM.

Could explain knock sensor.

 

Awesome thread guys!
Chris I have just sent you the AAL S.A specs
110KW@6400rpm
175Nm@5000rpm
10,2:1 compression
All OEM and Kjet

 

hello,

Do you have any picture of this engine ?

 

x2

 

Thanks Hassen - details now updated in post 1

Seeing this AAL, are we missing anymore engines worldwide? Mexico, South America, South Africa, Oz etc? There's a suggestion of a Seat Ibiza 2 litre (short block, not ABF), but could possibly be an 8v.

Anyone heard of this?

 

Hmm, I have heard of such a thing but cannot remember where from......

 

Hi
I will try to get a pic for you guys. It is a short bubble block too but with basic
Kjet.
Late '91 this engine was to be developed into a ltd edition "Spitze" golf here in S.A
This was when the Opel Kadet GSI 16v S(Vauxhaul VXR???) Was cleaning up our local
Group N series. GSI 16v S was 125KW with Schrick cams and Coscast(cosworth/yamaha) cylinder heads.
The Spitze would have been VW's answer but alas the mk3 launch was too close and the idea
Was shelved....
The Spitze would have had Schrick 260 cams, headwork and blueprinted bottom ends with 15"
BBS wheels. A rumoured 145kw motor never came into production for homologation purposes.
At the time rumoured reports that there was too big power variances on the first batch of engines also
Helped to put and end to the production. Subassemblies might/would have been built up in Germany
and engines assembled in S.A.

I was a young lad working at my 1st VW dealer @ the time. Other spec that would have come
Fitted to the car was 280mm G60 discs and a different Kjet fuel distributor. Rumour has it that
Many of theses parts were sold by VW Motorsport over the next few years.

I have managed to get 5sets of the cams(have 3 left)1 set of the discs,1 fuel distributor and
2tailgate decals. That makes part of my few collectibles along with an Oettinger 16V head.
Will try to post pics asap!
Oh btw that's why my forum name is "Spitze" loosely translates from German as "Pinnacle"!

 

SPITZE.

When you photo the fuel distributor/MH, please post on this thread.

http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=220566

Do you have details of the Air Weighing Valve that went with this MH?

Dave.

 

Does anyone have any more info on the Oettinger tuning conversions? We seem to be missing a trick from one of the big tuners there.

 

Bump!

 

tick tock, tick tock

 

BRM info

170hp 16V - 10.0:1 CR
schrick 260 cams, 1mm higher lift
83.5mm mahle pisons
reprofiled valves and seats
gassflowed head and manifolds


brm180 - original price 3300+vat

brm160 - std bore and stroke 1781cc, 10.0:1 CR
1695.00+vat

oettinger kit for 2L 16V ABF ibiza
pair of cams, vernier, chip, 175hp

 

Time is hard to come by, it has to be earned. Dyed-in-the-wool racers know this.

 

Correct.

 

interesting oettinger thread on vortex http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?2124668-OETTINGER-Love-16V-Flourescent-Lime-Green-Content