OEM MK4 management wiring => Mk1/2/3 harness install FAQ (Now with added dieselness!)

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  1. jhax New Member

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    I checked voltage at pins 1 and 3 of the VSS plug and its reading a whopping .03V so I think that that is my issue. I found this thread so I will be doing the same thing to see what happens.

    Cheers
     
  2. jhax New Member

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    yup that was it!
     
  3. rubjonny

    rubjonny Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    the speed signal for the ecu comes from W/1, you can see that in the pdf you just posted. this is the output from the cluster. speed signal input to the cluster comes from the G22 gearbox sender in the gearbox to G1/11

    mk3 level sender is compatible with mk1/2 clocks, no need for any mods. depending on what car your rear loom came from you may need to earth G1/5 as this also supplies the level sender earth on some models
     
  4. Pjuvis New Member

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    Dude, you are insane ! You was a right, I just pop in wire into G1/5 to earth and fuel level work fine ! Thank you so much !
     
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    rubjonny Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    good stuff :)
     
  6. danielayto New Member

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    Hi again. All working great and car up to temp - but my gauge isn’t working. I’ve fitted the Mk3 black coolant sensor. But gauge stays at the bottom when engine is 100% up to temp.

    I’ve checked:

    1) Brown / white Earth wire is on the head
    2) Purple Pin 1 at sensor is connected to yellow red behind the clocks
    3) Brown / white pin 3 at sensor is earthed

    All tested with multimeter. Only thing I can think is the pins on the sensor are wrong. Anybody have a diagram of the pins on the sensor itself?
     
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    rubjonny Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Sure do, page 1, post 1 of my guide ;)

    if you loop a wire between the purple and brown/white pins the gauge should go to full so thats your next check
     
  8. danielayto New Member

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    Thanks mate for that. My issue was I didn’t know the pin layout on the sensor itself - quick google and found it. It now works, but the gauge is over reading a bit. The fan comes on and cools the engine as it should, but the gauge gets up to 110c when the fan comes on.

    I believe the gauge is over reading somewhat. I used the black Mk3 sensor (the part number recommended in the first page). Is there another option? (I have an 89 Corrado).
     
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    rubjonny Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Yeah the pin layout is in my guide ;)
    corrado uses the same sensor on the 2.0 8v engines, so as long as its a good quality one it'll be fine. the fan should cut in around 3/4 so it sounds like all is well, if you plug vagcom in you can check to see what the ecu sensor is reporting in the measuring blocks then compare that to dash gauge
     
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    Hi rubjonny, AGU DBC and cabrio 92. I make as you wrote, but i have question.
    In T6 brown T6/1 you write that best solution is to connect to terminal 87. How to connect when iam usying original trigger (2th position in fusebox)?

    and second question is: in T6/5 and T6/6 and T14/6 is connection via E14. is not to much for E14? Lambda shoul be connected via spade N?

    Thank you for your answer. ;)
     
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    rubjonny Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    For T6/1 and T14a/8 I wire a relay in a holder above the fusebox. put a 15a fuse on the live side of the relay and you can feed wire T6/4 from this fuse as well. Then its basically the same as later AUM/AUQ with ecu relay. Trigger the relay with an ignition live from D/2, D/8 or G spade 2 or 5.

    T6/5 will be ok to feed from E/14, as this is where factory lambda get their power feed from. plus on later mk3 golf with dual lambda probes these are both fed from G1/8 which is the CE2 equivalent sharing the same fuse as the fuel pump.

    T14a/5 and 6 I would put on a fuse fed from N :)
     
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    Hello! I previously wired a Corrado with 1.8T AEB , an MK3 with AGU and another MK3 with ARL and used this topic and everything went great.
    Now I have an Mk2 with CE2 electrics , the engine is an BFB from A4 with the original ecu and the engine harness is from a Mk4 AUM.
    I have some problems and I don't know if the wiring is the problem or not. It starts very well , runs perfectly on idle but when I rev it it misfires. Even in the first or second gear it misfires and detonates. The coils are ok , the fuel pump is new . Can someone tell me if i need to change the pinout I have used?
    The wiring i used is this :
    T6-brown connector
    pin 1 -black or black/purple 15 amp fused switched live 15 to ecu T121/3 (g1 pin 4, needs fuse)
    pin 2 - purple/white ecu T121/65 to fuel pump relay earth (g1 pin 3)
    pin 4 - red/green 20 amp fused constant positive 30 to ecu T121/62 (Y pin 4, needs fuse)
    pin 5 - blue/yellow fused 10 amp from fuel pump relay (g1 pin 10, needs fuse)

    T14a - 14 pin connector near battery
    pin 4 -purple coolant temp sensor (214) Y/M (G2 pin 3, requires resistor to read correctly)
    pin 5 - red/purple 10 amp fused switched live to injectors (183) ( G1pin8 )
    pin 6 - yellow/black fused 10 amp from fuel pump relay (g1 pin 8, needs fuse)
    pin 7 - brown earth (204) (197) (Earth to chassis or battery -VE)
    pin 9 - brown/white earth for senders (G1 pin 6)

    T10 Orange
    pin 1 - grey/white to ecu T121/43 (229) ( diagnostics K diag port)
    pin 2 - green/red to ecu T121/81 (Tach signal from ecu via tach adaptor to G1 pin 12)
    pin 6 - blue/white ecu T121/54 to speed signal in dash wiring (Hall speed sensor on clocks W pin 1)
     
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    rubjonny Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    G1/10 is only live if you fit an ecu relay 30 or 32, so check that

    G1/8 is already fused so no need to add another, its shared with fuel pump so you shouldn't put too much load on it. you'll know if you've gone too far though as your pump fuse will pop.

    orange pin 2 is MPG signal, you should use orange pin 9 for that

    get the ecu scanned for fault codes, check coilpack harness for cracking
     
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    I have solved the problem. The car had the Mk2 fuel filter and the BFB injectors did't have a fuel pressure regulator and no return line for the fuel.BFB has the fuel pressure regulator incorporated into the fuel filter and the return line also comes from the filter.
    So I have fitted an AGU fuel pressure regulator and also used the original Mk2 fuel return line.
    Also changed the coils and everything works ok.
    Thanks
     
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    Hi im sergio from spain .
    Im swaping an audi a3 1997 1.8t AGU to 1.8t AUM , im using AUM wiring harness and ecu ,i have the 2 aum looms that come from ecu with relay box near brake fluid reservoir, i have installed the dbw pedal with the wire and the blue plug but my a3 wiring only have 2 plugs brown and white , so i dont know what to do with T10 - orange 10 pin plug if its hidden , where can i find it?
    If anyone can help me it would be nice !
    Sorry if bad english :(
    Thanks
     
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    rubjonny Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    early audi A3 are different wiring to later a3/mk4/etc so you'll need to do some re-wiring:

    T6 - red:
    1 - blk/pur - switched live for ecu, ecu pin 1
    2 - blk/grn - reverse switch
    3 - red/blk - starter motor live
    4 - grn - aircon, ecu pin 8
    5 - blu/red - aircon, ecu pin 10

    T10 - white:
    1 - gry/wht - diagnostic K-line, ecu pin 19
    2 - grn/wht - mpg signal, ecu pin 18
    3 - pur/wht - fuel relay trigger, ecu pin 4
    4 - blu/yel - fuel pump relay live for MAF and N80 valve
    5 - blu/red - fuel pump relay live for lambda probe
    6 - blu/wht - VSS signal, ecu pin 20
    8 - red/grn - ecu permanent live feed, ecu pin 3
    9 - grn/brn - rev counter, ecu pin 6
    10 - blu/blk - reverse switch

    T10c - engine bay:
    1 - grn/blk - oil pressure switch
    2 - blk/red - ignition live for speedometer sender
    4 - pur - dash temp sensor
    5 - red/pur - injector live
    6 - yel/blk - fuel pump relay live for N75
    7 - brn - earth for coilpacks
    8 - blk/pur - live for coilpacks
    10 - grn/wht - speedometer sender feed to clocks
     
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  17. sergio cabañas almario New Member

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    You are right its red conector not brown.
    I will rewire it
    Much apreciated the pinout man
    Thanks
     
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    Tachometer issue RESOLVED: There must be some sort of interference within the CE2 fuse block that amplifies the signal. thanks to a tdiclub forum member who suggested to just connect the wire from the ECU to to cluster. I get an accurate tach now.

    Speedometer issue temporarily resolved: I spliced the VSS ignition hot wire to the brake light switch and I have speedometer now as well.
     
  19. danielayto New Member

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    Corrado all MOT’d and driving! Huge thanks to this thread

    couple of small jobs:

    1) The revs are hanging big time on gear changes. So I will have to fit the clutch switch. Is there an easy way to add this on an early Corrado?

    2) Will the brake switch be causing any issue? Sounds like it might be. I can see the wiring for that, and the 2 wires to the original Corrado switch, but what about the ignition live and ECU feed - do I need to connect these? If so, what to?
     
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    Got a suggestion of a micro switch on the clutch pedal, small and probably easy to mount with 2 screws, either have a bracket or part of pedal acting on the lever.
    Think the extra wires on brake are only used with cruise control, may be wrong, sure RJ will shed some more light on it.
     
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