Thank f**k for that, my point exactly........so the fact that the track is wider will not adversely affect the handling given the following alterations.......
That's the whole point, I suggest you go away and read the whole thread before posting, yet again, without reading it. Once more for the cheap seats. Prof orginally asked what the effects of putting longer wishbones on an otherwise standard car would be.
I'm not implying anything, what I state in this thread is engineering fact, I'm not some half pint expert down the pub, venturing an opinion over a beer.
Im well aware of the full thread because Ive been following it for the last couple of days, most is informative, some is sh1t but the last generalisation about the track is just plain wrong in the way you presented it and for some of the so called sheep could be misconstrued. The next thing youd hear on here is someone saying theres no way a MK2 with wide arms will handle........would you agree with that statement???? (generalisation)
And you think your above question???? And I need to be qualified to what degree to have an opinion?????? I didnt say the theory was wrong but you over simplified things to the point where anyone who didnt know there head from there arce would question your statement but probably darent because they didnt have enough general knowledge
I think i need to perform a scientific experiment to solve the wide track mystery. I'll convert one side of the suspension to wide track and leave the other standard. Then i shall see which direction it corners better in, and that shall determine the best setup
So who should the less informed listen to, me who states engineering fact, or you who's only technical statement is "well it's alright on the Corrado"? I try and help as many people as I can understand the workings of vehicle engineering. I cannot write a book every time I write a reponse to a thread. I try to aim the information I give at the middle level of understanding. If someone is too stupid to understand my original statement then I suggest they don't go messing with their suspension. The only generalisation I made was that "putting longer wishbones (just the wishbones) on a VW FWD will have the adverse effects of lowering the roll centre (increasing body roll), altering the scrub radius and kpi, effecting steeering feel, self centring and turn in" All of that is engineering fact, it's not a generalisation, or an opinion, its fact.
I didnt stick my had above the parapet and claim to be the fountain of all knowledge, Ive just pointed out that a wider track car with the same suspension pick up points as a MK2 will not give the same handling characteristics as you describedfact! What you should have said is that by altering the track other considerations should be made or it could cause the following handling characteristics..easy, not exactly war and peace is it???
I dont know about anyone else but I find some of your comments quite condescending, who do you think we all are ????????????
Why TF should I say that, that wasn't the original question. The original question, for the 3rd or 4th time, was will longer wishbones effect the spring rates. I wrote yes, and stated the other effects. Why are you suggesting I should have written a different reply to a question that was never asked? No one asked, "what needs to be altered to use increased track". I refer you to my earlier post, I can't write a book every time I post a reply to cover everyones level of knowledge. If you like I could stop posting here and go else where, but apart from the fact that I'm a club member, there are one or two people here that appriciate my help and think I might have a slight clue what I'm talking about.
What's condecending is smart arse sarcastic posts, shall we look at your first post on this thread...... Plenty of engineering based argument there. "My cars wider than a MK2" "A highly developed track special with differnt suspension has increased track and works ok" I'm not being condecending to anyone, as it only seems to be you that's confused by my original statement.
Why dont you pick your dummy back up off the floor. You took issue at peoples generalisation at the fact they said that cars wouldnt handle with 17s on but when someone take issues with your generalisation about widening the track you dont like it.....
Closer to the truth than your original statement My first comment was tongue in cheek about there being no help for me hence the smiles but you obviously take yourself a little too seriously
Sorry for the thread hijack Tub, it did start as a question about welded suspension arms........a long while back
Why do you keep suggesting I made a generalisation? I stated engineering fact. I think your point, which you yourself don't seem to be able to communicate, is you feel I should have quailified my answer. My answer only required qualifiying had the question been fraised differently, which it wasn't. Now you're using the "I was only joking, you're a bit arsey" defence. I clearly asked if you were mocking me to which you quoted your own post, affirming that you were. Then wonder why I then point out the errors in your posts. I'm going to bed, you make me sad.
