ABF/16v bottom end strength

Discussion in '16-valve' started by H8SV8S, Mar 2, 2004.

  1. Joe_G Forum Member

    I think this is a big factor when choosing what to do when tuning an engine. If you can make power without having to rev it much more than normal then you can keep the bottom end stock and it'll last a lot longer too.

    That's why I think if I went for cams I wouldn't go too wild, 260's or maybe 268's.

    While we're on the subject, how much would we be talking for 2.0 bottom end that would be happy all day at 7.5-8k??

    So, I presume you'd have to go for 83mm forged pistons, steel rods, lightened + balanced crank and flywheel.

    Joe
     
  2. altern8 Forum Junkie

    While rebuilding a bottom end is it worth using arp bolts on it? who sell them in the uk
     
  3. prof Forum Addict

    vince does

    and autotechnik

    the full house ABF kitcar engines ran 85mm bores and reduced crank stroke IIRC reduces the piston speed a bit
     
  4. badger5

    badger5 Club GTI Sponsor and Supporter Trader

    Yep.
    Unreliable source.
    Cast pistons are stock ABF.

    Mine ran KS Cast Pistons ok..
     
  5. Joe_G Forum Member

    What's the main benefit of forged pistons? Are they lighter?

    Joe
     
  6. Saul Forum Member

    stronger, a forged piece of steel is compounded by a drop forge! whereas a casting is just that, cast in a mould :)
     
  7. NormanCoal Forum Member

    I remember being told that 7500 with standard bottom end, and a bit more with the rod bolts being done - would make sense to me with the standard limiter being 7200
     
  8. barny Forum Member

    best i aske vince next weekend then !!

    turn ya msn on!
     
  9. NormanCoal Forum Member

    I'm at work B, cant install it!
     
  10. KeithMac Forum Junkie

    I don`t like giving mine sustained 7k revs, due to what happened to gary`s old car and others. The problem with the bolts is they stretch as they try and stop the pistons hitting the head, just think of the punishment a 100k road bolt has had!
     
  11. GVK

    GVK Paid Member Paid Member

    Thats what I was getting at Keith and as I've killed two *mythical bullet proof* 16v bottom ends, I try to keep as far away from 7k as possible :lol:
     
  12. KeithMac Forum Junkie

    Same here ;)
     
  13. edc1 Forum Member

    Best go 9k then - that's 2k rpm away, plenty safe :lol:
     
  14. GVK

    GVK Paid Member Paid Member

  15. H8SV8S Forum Member

    LOL! :lol:
     
  16. H8SV8S Forum Member

    I didn't think they'd be forged, thanks for the confirmation.

    Right, so I'll get some ARP rod bolts. Are the head studs especially needed too, though? I can see the dollars piling up again already [:^(] Also, I read on vortex that something needs doing to the rods when you install the ARP bolts...what's the story with that before I search to find the thread!
     
  17. You can get a set of yank V8 bolts that fit the VW rods - so you'd need to split a set.
     
  18. Oh, and they need a wee bit of resizing, but nothing your local machine place couldn't do.
     
  19. H8SV8S Forum Member

    Cheers TSC ;)
     
  20. prof Forum Addict

    302 ford v8 ones IIRC
     

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