16v Std Cam Duration and lift?

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  1. DEX

    Dex Paid Member Paid Member

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    anyone know the duration and lift for std KR cams?
     
  2. atkinss Forum Member

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    From good old haynes...

    Inlet opens @ 3 deg ATDC
    Inlet closes @ 35 deg ABDC
    Exhaust opens @ 43 deg BBDC
    Exhaust closes @ 3 deg BTDC

    So,
    Inlet 212 degrees
    Exhaust 220 degrees

    Doesn't say about lift sorry.

    Cheers
     
  3. DEX

    Dex Paid Member Paid Member

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    that's greatly appreciated (did you really go and look it up in a haynes manual for me? [:D])
     
  4. atkinss Forum Member

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    Certainly did! [:-B]
     
  5. DEX

    Dex Paid Member Paid Member

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    aww shucks!


    now we just need someone to strip their head down and measure lift for me!
     
  6. Joe_G Forum Member

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    Max lift on the exhaust cam is 10.2mm, 9.6mm on the inlet cam.

    For the KR that is.

    Joe
     
  7. Joe_G Forum Member

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    I think you have to specify at what lift the duration is measured at. I.e, I think the Haynes data is based on duration @ 1mm valve lift.

    I've seen 207 @ 1.27mm for the inlet cam and 215 for the exhaust on an american site.

    Joe
     
  8. atkinss Forum Member

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    Joe_G,

    As you say haynes says

    "Nil valve clearance at 1.0mm valve lift"

    above the valve timing figure stated above.

    Cheers
     
  9. wussel Forum Member

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    Wow, I didn't realise the were so low compared to fast road cams at about 260 degrees, no wonder they up the performance when fitting them.
     
  10. GVK

    GVK Paid Member Paid Member

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    No wonder they idle like crap with hotter cams, is more to the point :lol:
     
  11. NormanCoal Forum Member

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    I've heard a 296 cammed 16v idle Gary, if you can call it that :p
     
  12. GVK

    GVK Paid Member Paid Member

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    That didn't idle, it just went.. ermmm

    rumpah rumpah rumpah <don't forget the rattles> :lol:
     
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    Haynes are such a bunch of strokers, what the hell is the point of giving valve timing at 1mm lift. It's only any use if you know what a comparitive cam is at 1mm lift!

    IMHO valve timing should be measured at the initial movement of the valve, not once you've already started the next cycle!
     
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    Also I'd be interested to know at what lift shrick measure their cams. If it's at zero lash then as a rough guestimate I'd say if you were to measure the standard cams the same they'd be more in the region of 245-250 than the 1mm Haynes version.
     
  15. Jettin' Forum Member

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    VW uses 1mm as the standard value for measuring cam duration. You should ask what the duration is measured at when buying a cam.
     
  16. Fozzie_Bear Forum Member

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    Thismis where alot of people get confused too. When micing up a lobe, they take the height away from the width to give the lift. But this is not so as the lobe has to take up the gap first, thus reducing the overall lift.
     
  17. Fozzie_Bear Forum Member

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    Also, the lift of the cam only plays a part fo the cams chracteristics. If you look at a schrick they tend to be fat and wide at the lobe, with a steep ramp. In theory if you took one of these with 11m lift and placed it next to a vw cam with 11mm lift, although both cams have the same 'lift' the duration would still be more on the schrick due to the lobes width.
    Theres alot to think about when choosing cams!! ;)
     
  18. Joe_G Forum Member

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    Some good info in the Schrick cam catalogue.

    Schrick Cams

    Joe
     
  19. madmk4 Forum Member

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    Fozzie bear speaks some truth, www.pipercams.com explains it all..


    Theres lots of stuff on there that joe average doesnt even know about let alone consider !
     
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    wucka wucka wucka :p
     

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