Hi running alongside the k04 hybrid development thread I have been playing with TIP's, and made a 3 inch version.. We saw significant airflow gains from this which prompted me to have a bunch of these made. 3 INCH TIP Proven for K04 installs and Orders Now being Taken: It can fit with OE Airbox if required, but you will need to trim the top 90' silicon elbow. Easier/advised fitment is with cone filter such as FR08001 type CONFIRMED PRICES: 2 x 76mm 90 degree elbows - 35 Billet K04 Alloy Reducing Coupler - 38.75 Natural finish Alloy Coupler with ports - 45 (add 7.50 for polished version *special order*) 4 x 70-90 hi-grip hose clips - 8.12 Small Hose Stubs for Evap,N75,breather,DV with clips - 10 Optional: FR08001 filter - 45 Prices are plus vat & Delivery 9.50 delivery UK Mainland Orders Now being taken. Colours Available Blue and Black currently. (red on request if elbows are available) Turbo adaptor mocked up comparison of OE TIP to 3inch And combined with the hybrid k04.......... 3inch tip airflow, descreen maf 272g/s max logged compared to before 3 inch tip where max was 254g/s, however on this car (non wideband) the apparent airflow and change to afr's made a difference. Clearly more airflow as it ran leaner.. added 5% fuel and it returned to as before, making slightly more power. New 3 Inch TIP log Code: Sunday 31 October 2010 17:27:07:61786 VCDS Version: Release 10.6.1 Data version: 20100831 8L0 906 018 N 1.8L R4/5VT G 0002 Group A: '002 Group B: '020 Group C: '118 RPM Load Inj. On Time Mass Flow Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization RPM Temperature Load Absolute Pres. TIME TIME TIME 31.78 3200 191.7 15.99 138.72 32.08 0 0 0 3 31.49 3040 21 95.3 1880 32.69 3720 191.7 16.81 145.36 32.98 3 3 0 2.3 32.39 3560 21 82.7 2490 33.59 4160 191.7 17.63 181.69 33.89 3 3 0 2.3 33.29 3960 20 85.5 2540 34.49 4640 191.7 18.04 207.72 34.79 3 2.3 0 4.5 34.19 4480 19 82.4 2540 35.39 5120 191.7 18.04 228 35.69 2.3 2.3 0 4.5 35.09 4920 19 83.1 2540 36.29 5520 191.7 18.45 247.61 36.59 2.3 5.3 0 3.8 35.99 5360 20 83.9 2540 37.19 5720 191.7 18.45 257.5 37.49 2.3 5.3 0 3.8 36.89 5680 21 87.1 2520 38.09 5960 191.7 18.45 258.36 38.39 2.3 5.3 0 3.8 37.79 5880 22 92.2 2520 38.99 6200 191.7 18.45 259.67 39.29 2.3 4.5 0 3 38.69 6120 24 95.3 2500 39.89 6480 191.7 18.45 265.94 40.19 2.3 4.5 0 3 39.59 6360 24 95.3 2490 40.79 6760 191.7 17.22 266.39 41.09 1.5 4.5 0 3 40.49 6640 26 95.3 2470 41.69 7040 191.7 16.81 270.44 41.99 1.5 3.8 0 2.3 41.39 6960 27 95.3 2460 42.59 7360 191.7 15.99 272.67 42.89 1.5 3.8 0 2.3 42.29 7280 29 95.3 2420 43.49 7680 183.5 11.48 266.58 43.79 0 0 0 0 43.19 7560 30 95.3 2430 Previous logs descreened before 3" TIP Code: Saturday 23 October 2010 17:48:48:61786 VCDS Version: Release 10.6.1 Data version: 20100831 8L0 906 018 N 1.8L R4/5VT G 0002 Group A: '002 Group B: '020 Group C: '118 RPM Load Inj. On Time Mass Flow Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization RPM Temperature Load Absolute Pres. TIME TIME TIME Marker STAMP /min % ms g/s STAMP KW KW KW KW STAMP /min C % mbar 48.83 1440 82 5.33 23.17 49.13 0 0 0 0 49.43 1640 24 95.3 1100 49.73 1760 87.2 5.74 28.94 50.03 0 0 0 0 50.33 2040 23 95.3 1190 50.63 2200 106.8 6.97 45.83 50.93 0 0 0 0 51.23 2440 21 95.3 1370 51.53 2560 122.6 7.79 62.06 51.84 0 0 0 0 52.14 2800 21 95.3 1670 52.44 2920 171.4 12.3 102.92 52.73 0 0 0 0 53.04 3240 21 77.6 2370 53.34 3440 191.7 15.58 141.31 53.64 0 0 0 0 53.93 3680 21 81.6 2500 54.24 3840 191.7 16.81 154.53 54.53 0 0 0 3 54.84 4120 20 83.5 2510 55.14 4280 191.7 16.81 179.42 55.44 3 0 0 3 55.74 4560 21 82.7 2530 56.04 4720 191.7 17.22 198.17 56.34 3 0 0 3 56.64 5000 21 83.9 2520 56.94 5160 191.7 17.63 222.33 57.24 2.3 0 0 2.3 57.54 5440 21 85.5 2500 57.84 5520 191.7 18.04 236.33 58.14 2.3 0 0 2.3 58.44 5760 23 89.4 2450 58.74 5840 191.7 17.22 243.58 59.04 2.3 0 0 2.3 59.34 6040 24 95.3 2430 59.64 6080 191.7 16.81 246.5 59.94 1.5 0 0 1.5 60.24 6240 25 95.3 2420 60.54 6320 191.7 16.81 247.31 60.84 1.5 0 0 1.5 61.14 6480 27 95.3 2400 61.44 6560 191.7 16.4 251.61 61.74 1.5 0 0 1.5 62.04 6760 28 95.3 2360 62.34 6840 191.7 15.58 253.64 62.64 1.5 0 0 0.8 62.94 7040 30 95.3 2340 63.24 7160 186.5 14.76 254.83 63.54 0.8 0 0 0.8 63.84 7360 31 95.3 2300 64.14 7480 178.2 13.94 252.33 64.44 0.8 0 0 0.8 64.73 7240 32 0 1750 3inch tip and screened maf Code: 31 October 2010 17:49:37:61786 VCDS Version: Release 10.6.1 Data version: 20100831 1.8L R4/5VT G 0002 Group A: '002 Group B: '020 Group C: '118 RPM Load Inj. On Time Mass Flow Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization RPM Temperature Load Absolute Pres. TIME TIME TIME STAMP /min % ms g/s STAMP KW KW KW KW STAMP /min C % mbar 30.89 1480 32.3 2.46 9.14 31.19 0 0 0 0 30.59 1520 26 0 1010 31.79 1480 78.2 5.33 23.08 32.09 0 0 0 0 31.49 1440 26 95.3 1000 32.69 1600 84.2 5.33 25.92 32.99 0 0 0 0 32.39 1480 24 95.3 1060 33.59 2000 92.5 6.15 37.08 33.89 0 0 0 0 33.29 1880 23 95.3 1130 34.49 2360 109.8 6.97 50.78 34.8 0 0 0 0 34.2 2240 21 95.3 1270 35.39 2760 134.6 9.43 74.44 35.69 0 0 0 0 35.09 2640 21 95.3 1470 36.29 3200 191.7 15.99 139.39 36.58 3 0 3 3 35.99 3040 21 95.3 1910 37.18 3680 191.7 16.81 144.22 37.49 3 0 3 5.3 36.89 3520 21 82.7 2490 38.09 4120 191.7 17.63 169.94 38.39 2.3 0 2.3 5.3 37.78 3960 20 83.9 2540 38.99 4640 191.7 18.04 199.56 39.29 2.3 0 2.3 4.5 38.69 4480 20 82.4 2540 39.89 5120 191.7 18.04 225.11 40.19 2.3 0 2.3 4.5 39.59 4960 20 83.5 2540 40.79 5520 191.7 18.86 238.06 41.09 2.3 0 1.5 4.5 40.49 5400 21 84.7 2530 41.69 5760 191.7 18.45 244.83 41.99 1.5 0 1.5 3.8 41.39 5680 21 87.8 2510 42.59 5960 191.7 18.04 247.31 42.89 1.5 0 1.5 3.8 42.29 5920 23 93.3 2490 43.49 6200 191.7 17.63 251.94 43.79 1.5 0 1.5 3.8 43.19 6120 24 95.3 2470 44.39 6480 191.7 17.63 253.22 44.69 1.5 0 1.5 3 44.09 6400 25 95.3 2480 45.29 6760 191.7 16.81 255.36 45.59 1.5 0 1.5 3 44.99 6680 27 95.3 2430 46.19 7040 191.7 15.99 258.58 46.49 0.8 0 0.8 3 45.89 6960 27 94.9 2420 47.09 7360 185.7 15.17 260.78 47.39 0.8 0 0.8 2.3 46.79 7240 29 95.3 2400 47.99 6960 12.8 1.23 0 48.3 0 0 0 0 47.69 7640 30 0 2500 rule of thumb calc applied.. airflow divide 0.8 = power we get 260g/s = 326bhp Logged airflows - gains & comparison - REMEMBER this is a Silicon TIP vs the new 3inch TIP... gains from OE would be greater difference. and fitted to another S3....... Now its worth mentioning this prototype was done for a car which had open cone induction kit. Its going to be tight on an OE airbox, but not having tried that I cant confirm how well it will fit.. wellys S3 bung it in to check install below to show you what Io mean: Comparison to an already good flowing silicon TIP which was what welly was running before swapping to the 3 inch jobbie
and soem more on OE airbox to prove the 3inch tip can go onto std airbox (not that this is what I would reccomend) I fitted the version 2 to a car with std box last night. It fits, is tight and fiddly to do, but is doable. pictures:
Customer feedback on on of the first used on std k04 with stage 1 remap on it.. thread with results here> http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/a3-s3-forum-8l-chassis/108386-3-tip-installation-results.html Headline figures was 201g/s previously, and now 223g/s with 3inch TIP and 80mm JR filter on it
2 x m4 grub screws which locate onto the turbos intake groove, loctited to keep em from rattling out, and a smear of sealer to make gas seal (they're a good fit but this is belt and braces)
okies... tests from today on stage 1 map from rtech on an s3 of danes. car has no mods at all.. aside from rods i fitted for its upgrade path planned by the owner Dane before any change, run on dyno on its std airbox and silicon tip, with k&n filter element. airbox had been drilled with big holes in its base by previous owner. logs: Code: Saturday 18 December 2010 11:43:30:61786 VCDS Version: Release 10.6.3 Data version: 20101206 8N0 906 018 J 1.8L R4/5VT 0004 Group A: '002 Group B: '020 Group C: '115 RPM Load Inj. On Time Mass Flow Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization RPM Load Absolute Pres. Absolute Pres. TIME TIME TIME Marker STAMP /min % ms g/s STAMP KW KW KW KW STAMP /min % mbar mbar 409.24 1520 85.7 8.16 27.28 408.52 0 0 0 0 408.83 1520 80.5 1640 1100 410.35 1800 94.7 8.84 33.89 409.63 0 0 0 0 410.04 1680 92.5 1690 1200 411.45 2320 121.1 12.24 57 410.73 0 0 0 0 411.07 2160 108.3 2250 1350 412.66 2840 172.2 17.68 104.86 411.86 0 0 0 0 412.27 2680 146.6 2340 1830 413.89 3400 190.2 19.72 127.64 413.07 0 0 0 0 413.49 3240 185.7 2340 2320 415.08 3920 191 19.72 142.39 414.27 0 0 0 0 414.67 3720 190.2 2340 2310 416.31 4400 188 19.72 157.31 415.48 0 0 0 0 415.89 4240 188.7 2330 2320 417.49 4880 183.5 19.72 172.33 416.71 0 0 0 0 417.09 4720 186.5 2310 2300 418.69 5320 176.7 19.38 181.17 417.89 0 0 0 0 418.31 5160 180.5 2340 2220 419.91 5760 173.7 19.38 188.36 419.09 0 0 0 0 419.52 5600 172.9 2340 2190 421.1 6160 163.2 18.02 190.53 420.31 3 0 3 0 420.7 6040 166.2 2290 2110 422.34 6600 155.6 17 196.14 421.54 3 0 3 0 421.92 6440 157.9 2210 2090 423.53 7000 145.1 15.98 193.72 422.75 3 0 6 3 423.11 6880 148.9 2080 2020 424.77 7040 26.3 1.02 4.89 423.93 3 0 6 3 424.32 7240 128.6 1530 2260 then 3 inch tip ws fitted along with the FR08001 filter dyno'd again... no other change Code: Saturday 18 December 2010 13:36:18:61786 VCDS Version: Release 10.6.3 Data version: 20101206 8N0 906 018 J 1.8L R4/5VT 0004 Group A: '002 Group B: '020 Group C: '118 RPM Load Inj. On Time Mass Flow Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization RPM Temperature Load Absolute Pres. TIME TIME TIME Marker STAMP /min % ms g/s STAMP KW KW KW KW STAMP /min C % mbar 153.79 1720 40.6 4.08 13.56 154.11 0 0 0 0 154.52 1560 15 0 1020 154.9 1600 45.1 4.42 13.83 155.33 0 0 0 0 155.7 1640 15 92.5 1060 156.11 1640 82.7 7.82 27.97 156.53 0 0 0 0 156.92 1640 15 94.5 1200 157.32 1760 93.2 8.84 32.92 157.74 0 0 0 0 158.14 2120 15 94.5 1370 158.53 2320 126.3 12.58 60.11 158.92 0 0 0 0 159.34 2680 15 94.5 1940 159.72 2880 187.2 18.7 106.94 160.04 0 0 0 0 160.43 3200 15 83.5 2110 160.85 3360 178.9 18.36 116.39 161.26 0 0 0 0 161.63 3680 16 83.1 2130 162.03 3880 186.5 18.36 138.17 162.46 0 0 0 0 162.84 4200 17 83.9 2160 163.16 4320 188.7 18.7 155.36 163.56 0 0 0 0 163.94 4640 18 87.5 2180 164.29 4800 191.7 20.06 177.11 164.67 0 0 0 0 165.06 5120 21 87.5 2210 165.48 5280 191.7 20.4 194.58 165.87 0 0 0 0 166.28 5600 24 93.3 2260 166.67 5720 190.2 19.72 208.86 167.08 0 0 0 0 167.5 6000 27 92.9 2250 167.88 6160 183.5 19.04 209.19 168.29 0 0 0 0 168.69 6400 31 94.5 2190 169.1 6520 174.4 18.02 215.28 169.51 0 0 0 0 169.93 6800 36 87.8 2120 170.32 6960 159.4 16.32 210.36 170.72 0 0 0 0 171.12 7200 39 74.1 2100 bolt on g/s gains of from an intil best 196.14g/s to 215.28g/s = gained 19.14g/s of airflow and the before & after dyno is..... Pretty conclusive to me... and I was surprised to be honest in the difference.. on stock k04, on a stage 1 map, with no other performance mods on it, just changing the tip's and filter. wow! Also, after this we did some playing with the mapping to see if there's any more left in it, for its lack of mods.. so did a custom map for it.. and eaked a little more bhp out of the girl. comparison below of silicon tip, rtech stage 1, 3inch tip rtech stage 1, and a Badger5 map on it This has ended up the most powerful std k04 car i have run so far on my dyno.. started with 251bhp from its map, then rose to 270bhp, then to 278bhp with some tweaks There was no side effect to installing the 3inch tip on th stage 1 std k04 turbo at all... just more airflow and top end sustained torque = more power. Well please with this result. surpasses my expectations ...in stock to buy folks
Bill did you get me email RE these.? I just need the 2 ally parts. I have N75, breather and DV so the other one (about15 - 20mm inner diameter could be omitted) Thanks
sorry no.. Very little space on K03 fitment with water pipes and gear cables in the way. I have made one off's but they are costly and involve moving water pipes and gear cables... Our lupo has such a bespoke setup on it.
