Erratic Revs, Spluttering and cut out. Mk2 1.6 1984 Golf EZ

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  1. rubjonny

    rubjonny Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    yeah looks like you dont have the carb heater, without that or the warm air feed this is probably the cause!
     
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    I was thinking that last night when I read through the guide on your manual link. I'm assuming from what I read it attaches to the metal adapter plate between the carb and the rubber flange? To the left of the carb (on the scuttle panel) the previous owner had taped up a load of cable which I haven't untaped I'm assuming it's one of them that needs to be attached? It's odd that it's doing this now as the car ran fine when I got it (albeit the problems that needed sorting) I suppose it's one of them things.
     
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    yeah thats the one, look for a black wire with a spade housing which has ignition live this one is for the heater. carb icing can be a little random, worse when damp out erather thasn cold as such it can be pretty hot day and still ice up if theres enough moisture
     
  4. Djslater81

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    Thanks Jonny.

    That's good infomation to know. Feel like I'm getting somewhere now with how it should be set up. I've got an oil catch can also installed as well but currently not hooked up which I was gonna do when I change my rocker cover and do the twin carb set up. Another thing when I set up the 40s do I need to sort out a heater for the carbs as well?
     
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    you wont need a heater for the 40s no, ypou could try rigging up some kind of warm air pipe for the k&n filter you have now, see fi that will sort you till the 40s go on. if it works that'll save you a bit of messing about :)
     
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    Sweet. Thanks RJ I will let you know how it goes when I've sorted it. Fingers crossed it works.
     
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    Does anyone know the part number for the original pierburg carb heater element as I need to get one to attach to my Weber, tryin to rule out carb icing and previous owner didn't fit it when he did the swap. Also if anyone has one knocking about spare or knows where I can get one that would be great.

    Cheers.
     
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    026906333, its been NLA for a while but should help you on your parts hunt :)
     
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    Well I have a bit of news that may help others who have had a similar problem like mine. Yesterday I decided to start the ol gal up and let her run to temperature. I've noticed that she sounds like she is suckin in more air then usual (never been too much of an issue just though it was due to the aftermarket filter) however I decided to spray a can of trusted carb cleaner onto the actual throttle assembly and would you know it she started to die in rpms. I ain't taken the carb off the car due to the crap weather but it looks like that I have a vacuum leak around this area. The base plate is new so there are no splits and it's all bolted down correctly so I'm assuming a o-ring or something similar has perished and is causing this issue. I will keep you all informed when I find the culprit
     
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    Update

    I decided to strip the carb down to the bare bones and rebuild and clean it completely. All the nylon washers on the throttle body had worn down and there was play in the mechanical components. All new washers, o-rings and inserts have been replaced and now she runs better so far. If anyone else has similar issues this might be the reason for it.

    I've heard that Webers need to run with the timings slightly advance but I'm not 100% sure how true that is so if anyone has any information on this that would be great.
     
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    you can dial in a bit more advance and see how you go, listen out for pinking then back it off a bit if you hear any. with decent fuel you can usually add a little bit more no worries
     
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    Thanks RJ that helps a lot. I've notice now that I've got fuel leaving from the pump on the carb and what appears to be a crack in the carb body. Just ordered a whole new unit for now until I can sort out the 40s that I want to install. Nothing but greif so far. Oh well onwards and upwards I suppose
     
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    Well I know this thread is been a bit long winded but it's now come to breaking point. I decided to invest in a brand new Weber carb as the old one looked to have had it. New carb fitted and it drove well then.......


    She broke down twice


    Took the fuel line off and noted no fuel pumping through (yes I had a full tank of fuel) the AA came out and established that the blockage was from the swirl pot as fuel was flowing from the pump (which is also brand new) swirl pot is about 7-8 months old. Second AA attendance blew through the pot and no blockage, return feed has been restricted and line is clear. The fuel filter has no crap in it so can't find what's causing this issue.

    I'm now at my wits end with the whole thing and I'm getting closer to either changing the engine completely for something else or just getting rid of the car completely which I don't really want to do as I've spent quite a bit of cash on it.

    Any suggestions as to what it can be I would appreciate it.

    I'm London based if anyone is local or can recommend a decent garage
     
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    My folks had a mk3 Escort that did this every time i used it would run fine for 5 or 6 miles then cut out you could start it again and it would run like a nail then cut out again after a mile or so If left for a few hours it would run fine again
    they only used it to take the dogs out in it and never did more than a mile in it and couldn't see why i wouldn't use it when my mk1 was off the road till one day they needed to go town in it lol
    put it to the garage and turns out it had a old float from the tank sender that would get sucked down and bloke off the fuel

    just a thought it may not be that but worth thinking about
     
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    I'm planning on dropping the tank so I'll check that out when I do (time permitting) Thanks for the tip tho. I think I'll do the entire fuel line system as well while I'm at it then that way I know there is no blockage in the fuel system.
     
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    to rule out the swirl pot take it off and run the pump direct to the weber, block the return. plenty weber guy do this and leave it without issue.

    have a look at the tank side first mind, the level sender pop right out might be blocked filter or the pipe has fallen off/collapsed or summat
     
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    Hey RJ.

    I did try running the fuel line directly to the carb and was still getting the same issue but that was with the old carb. I'll try it again with the new one and see if I still get the same problem, I'm just worried that I may flood the carb if I run it like that for any length of time or am I wrong in saying that?

    I'll hopefully be able to work on it at the weekend so fingers crossed
     
  18. rubjonny

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    suggests your pot isnt to blame then, try it weith new carb to confirm tho.

    I haven't heard of any issues bypassing the pot from anyone who has done it, like you I assumed the carbs would flood but I guess the float assy can stop any excess fuel from the pump no problem. Soem suggest putting a Y piece in where the swirl pot was, that way fuel can still return to the tank if needed
     
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    I will try bypassing it on Saturday and see what happens and blast it through with air to check for blockage. The other thing that it could be is the crank lobe may have worn away slightly which could be resulting in the mechanical pump not functioning correctly (pray that it ain't not that it would make a difference) I will check that out also just to make sure when I drop the tank.
     
  20. rubjonny

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    aye suppose its possible, or the pump might not be 100% right. could go for an electric pump sooner rather than later that'll tell you one way or another
     

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