KRcams into a Mk3 16v GTI, advice needed!

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  1. ValverPaul Forum Member

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    Talking at the Rochdale meet today and the idea of KR cams for my ABF 2L 16v Mk3 cropped up!! :)
    Has anybody done this relatively easy mod (apparently)to theirs?? Does it run lumpy as f**k?, and is it worth it at the end of the day?? [:s]
    Any advice or experiences needed and appreciated!! [:D] ;) Cheers!!
     
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  3. H8SV8S Forum Member

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    No again! The ABF cams are hotter than the KR ones, so you'd lose performance
     
  4. stevef Forum Member

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    I would have loved to have made it to the Rochdale meet today but work got in the way!

    I recently saw posted the timings for ABF cams posted on here.

    It looked to me that the ABF inlet cam had more lift and duration than a KR inlet cam. At the time I thought that an ABF inlet cam might give good results in a KR engine. If the figures given are correct then the ABF inlet cam is "better" than a KR one.

    The exhaust cams, according to the figures, were ABF more lift less duration than the KR exhaust cam.

    To use a technical term, it might mean that pumping losses might be lower with a KR exhaust cam but actual flow might be similar. I would suspect that peak torque would arrive at different RPM but overall there would be little difference.

    Whichever cams getting the torque at lower RPM will "feel" more powerful on any 16v engine so I would suspect that you would only benefit from moving the torque/power curves around rather than gaining lots of power or torque!

    I could be completely off here of course but I have had a good drink!!!

    In reality there seems to be a lot of b!!!!!k's spouted regards tuning the 16v engine.

    Only my opinion of course.
     
  5. theboymike Forum Junkie

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    I think cams with greater lift tend to give better torque at low engine speeds..
    Anyone know what speed the ABF peaks at? (Obviously this would also be affected somewhat by the different induction, fuelling, block height etc, so not a definitive test)
    Sounds like a KR (K-Jet) fuelled ABF would be interesting [:D]

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  6. H8SV8S Forum Member

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    Peak torque roughly 4500-5500 on my stock ABF
     
  7. edc1 Forum Member

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    4300 on mine
     
  8. sambo Paid Member Paid Member

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    4700 rpm on my 9a
     
  9. cordobabrendy Forum Member

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    132 lb/f @ 5995 on my old cordoba 16v stock
    138 lb/f @ 4950 on the cordoba with a stock kr head/cams stock abf block.
     
  10. Tubthumped Forum Junkie

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    I would say ABF cams are better. Just my experience.
     
  11. cordobabrendy Forum Member

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    a kr or abf both properly opened up would be fairly similar i'd say. the kr ports are a fair bit narrower which gives it its lower end edge over the abf , but then again the abf needs a bit of porting/polishing to get the best out of her too.
     
  12. GVK

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    No, you would say, the ABF cams you've got are better than the KRs :lol:
     
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    don't bother, a flowed head will make the most difference,
     

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