Mk2/3/Ibiza/Corrado works-style chassis engine mounts - food for track prep thought?

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  1. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    Folks, a few pictures of works engine mounts from various cars. I've been collating these as not many folks seem to have taken on this mod, so if this helps illustrate "all" that's required, then all to the good :thumbup:

    Same as Mk1 engine mounts on both sides really...

    There are several iterations of it, the Mk2 Golf immediately below appearing just to have side chassis mounts, yet retaining the subframe posts.


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    Seat Ibiza Kit Car:

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    Ken Lark's VW Cup (Frazero) Corrado:

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    Mk3 Golf Kit Car:

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    Once the subframe mounts are no longer needed, they can be cut off and this makes gearbox changing a damn sight easier :thumbup:

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    Nigel P has one of these style mounts on his N/S
    I've been looking into one for mine as it has close prox because of a chassis leg repair (over kill really) but the pully could touch with very hard cornering.
    i think Nigels "extra" mount recently held the whole lot in place after an "un-planned" Off track detour!
    So not a bad idea if you have the means or skills.
     
  3. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    I think one as an extra gearbox brace is different to fitting the whole set. Hope Nige/car is ok :thumbup:

    With the full set, the positioning of all mounts, rather than being below the engine, has two up high, controlling twist more? That's my take on it anyway! The fairly hateful crossmember can have the metal posts binned, with the added plus that the wishbones, cross-member and ARB should be unfastenable once the dogbone is off, and with the engine still in the car [:*:]

    The thing with these is they're what, 3mm steel plate, possibly 4? Designed in cardboard, cut, welded and braced, not a huge job to create them. MIG welding skills obviously essential. The Ibiza engine bay ones look like minor works of art, but the Frazero Corrado gives an idea of what's doable with no special tools/non-works origin I would say.

    The alternative is to cut them out of Mk1 Golf / Scirocco shells, but preferably wrecked ones! Instant mounts, ready to trim & weld in? :thumbup:
     
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    Dave Pedantic Old Fart Paid Member

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    I could not post the part numbers, the pages come out mush!

    Engine mount bracket: #39, looks flipping interesting! Still trying to get my head around the long, curved, vertical bar?

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    Looking at the photos from NWR's D986RGO:

    The chassis rail mounting brackets look very works? Clean, neat and small welds, under the paint! :thumbup: Not added by Suttons?

    Both rear mounts are still on the sub-frame?[:s]

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    steady bar thing looks long enough to reach the head lifting eye hole?

    id say that subframe isnt original to the car, perhaps in the past the subby was dropped off whith engine still on? replaxcement subby put on to make car rolling chassis. no way they would have left the oem mounts in on a proper works car im sure :lol:

    also, what are the extra bolts for in this subframe, just outside the rrack bolts and not done up tight:
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    can see the holes here on idorap pics, but no bolts in:
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  6. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    Likely to be sumpguard mounting points. See also the bobbins also on the bespoke red tubular Ibiza frame - same I assume :thumbup:
     
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    Hi Dave, liking your eye for detail!

    I have a better picture somewhere, but this will do:

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    It appears to be upside-down relative to the pic, but they are all variations on a theme.

    NWR's bracket is standard Mk1 Golf/Scirocco - folk should just use these :thumbup:

     
  9. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    I haven't seen originals of these close up to know. I suspect it's a non-full Group A spec (as previously mentioned), or is an earlier Group A spec, or the subframe has been changed at some stage? Notice the dogbone rear engine steadier in the manual - where is it on the car? Or perhaps Germany were a year ahead etc?

    Perhaps it's because the reference manuals we have available are roughly 1988-90, whereas RGO I suspect was built in 1985/6?
     
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    Some pics of a standard Mk2 shell having these added - all pics courtesy Idorap:

    Gearbox end - first job sizing up position. Note it's a Mk1 Golf/Scirocco mount:

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  11. Dave

    Dave Pedantic Old Fart Paid Member

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    Ha ah! Well spotted BB!:thumbup:

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    All we need now is for Julien to take the bu99er off, measure it, and photograph it!

    ps The 'Devil is in the Detail'! (English Idiom) And, I am a 'Devil for Detail'! (daved Idiot)
    I have been accused, on here, of being a 'Pedant'. But I am not. I may be a 'Pedagogue'. Because I like to do things: Right - Correctly - Spot-On - etc. And then, explain: Why!
     
  12. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    I am sure he will be happy to strip his car down [:*:] Maybe we'd have to ask nicely [​IMG]

    And so am I :thumbup: But you're the Engineering Boss!

    I would like to learn why the bracket arm is there :)
     
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    Dave Pedantic Old Fart Paid Member

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    So would I!!!!![:s]

    I am sure that Julien knows?;)
     
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  14. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    More pics dug out:

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    It attaches to the upper PAS bracket bolt fixing:

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    Dave Pedantic Old Fart Paid Member

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    Great find Chris.

    That piece of steel, IMHO, can only do one job:

    Guide the engine into the mounting bracket on the body?

    It is bent, and too skinny, to act as a load carrier!
     
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    Dave Pedantic Old Fart Paid Member

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    Look what I've found!

    A really good basis for the engine rear torque arm!:thumbup:

    The fabrication on the right is a perfect size to mount to the engine.:clap:

    A 5 cheque will loosen my tongue as to which bike these parts are off!;)

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  17. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    Motorbike Dave?
     
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    Dave Pedantic Old Fart Paid Member

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    Quite right BBB![:D]

    I need a cheque for more information!:thumbup:
     
  19. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    No need at all Dave - just chop up 2 x Mk1/Scirocco front wishbone mounts, find some tube and you have the same!
     
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    Dave Pedantic Old Fart Paid Member

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    Not at all Chris.

    I was looking at the Mk2 front wishbones, and the mounts from the sub-frame, to make the side engine and gearbox end bracketry.

    The beauty of the bike bits is: The loverly Aluminum link, with off-the-shelf rubber bushes!
     

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