Time we had one of these to refer to! Currently contains OEM + other combinations. Applies to the EA827 / EA113 engines, ie GTI blocks, short and tall, with some carry over to the 06A internal water pump designs, restricted by crank availabilty. Anything missing, let me know. Anything that can't be done, I'll remove the greyed numbers. Bore / stroke combinations Blue - OEM capacities Black - OEM parts or aftermarket parts Silver - theoretical, all subject to bearing diameters, rod dimensions & suitable pistons / end compression ratio. Bore Stroke Crank pin 76.5mm 79.5mm 79.75mm 80mm 80.6mm 81mm 81.5mm 82mm 82.25mm 82.5mm 83mm 83.5mm 83.9mm 84mm 84.5mm 85mm Notes 73.4mm 46.0mm 1457cc 1467cc 1476cc 1498cc 1513cc 1532cc 1551cc 1560cc 1569cc 1589cc 1608cc 1623cc 1627cc 1646cc 1666cc Early 1500, cast 77.4mm 47.8mm 1423cc**** 1595cc 1615cc 1635cc 1645cc 1655cc 1675cc 1695cc 1712cc 1716cc 1736cc 1757cc 1984-on 1.6s (Europe) & 1.4i Citi Golfs 80.0mm 46.0mm 1471cc 1588cc 1598cc* 1608cc 1633cc 1649cc 1669cc 1690cc 1700cc 1711cc 1731cc 1752cc 1769cc 1773cc 1795cc 1816cc Audi 80 / Mk1 GTI, forged 86.4mm 47.8mm 1715cc** 1726cc 1737cc 1763cc 1781cc 1803cc 1825cc 1836cc 1847cc 1870cc 1893cc 1911cc 1915cc 1938cc 1961cc 1800 GTI-on 90.0mm 46mm 1995cc Eurospec 2.0 ABF 'Kit car', 19mm small ends, 150mm rods 90.5mm 46.0mm 1865cc 1888cc 1912cc 1923cc 1935cc 1959cc 1982cc 2001cc 2006cc 2030cc 2054cc Oettinger 92.8mm 47.8mm 1894cc 1913cc 1936cc 1960cc 1972cc 1984cc 2008cc 2033cc 2052cc 2057cc*** 2082cc 2106cc OEM 2.0 94.5mm 46.0mm then 47.8mm 1948cc 1972cc 1996cc 2008cc 2021cc 2045cc 2070cc 2090cc 2095cc 2120cc 2145cc F3, Holbay + Oettinger 95.5mm 47.8mm 1896cc 1908cc 1920cc 1949cc 1968cc 1993cc 2017cc 2030cc 2042cc 2067cc 2092cc 2112cc 2117cc 2142cc 2168cc Diesel crank 99.0mm 47.8mm 2117cc 2143cc 2168cc 2189cc 2195cc 2211cc 2247cc Oettinger 100mm 47.8mm 2138cc 2164cc 2190cc 2211cc 2217cc 2243cc 2270cc** Eurospec & Oettinger Notes Rallye F3 Blue OEM capacity * Muller Tuning Group 2 ** USA & Canada only *** AutoTech 2.1 kit **** South Africa Black aftermarket conversion capacities seen Grey theoretical (some may have been done - pls advise) 90.5 cranks were made by Oettinger to enlarge the 1.6 engine. This was in time superseded by the 94.5, the 90.5 ceasing as the 86.4 beame mainstream and the capacity race edged towards 2 litres+. 94.5 cranks were initially made with 46mm big end bearings to suit the 136mm rods on the 1588cc EG engine and similar. This later changed to 47.8mm to accomodate the 144mm rods of the DX-onwards. The Holbay crank was used in the UK by GTI Engineering, possibly to work around the fitment issue initially on early DX => cars. 99 + 100 cranks assumed to fit in bubble blocks only Bespoke racing combinations - parts generally unavailable, cranks certainly, and pistons prohibitively expensive due to gudgeon pin height Bore Stroke Crank pin 76.5mm 79.5mm 80mm 80.6mm 81mm 82mm 82.25mm 82.5mm 83mm 83.5mm 83.9mm 84mm 85mm Notes 88.1mm 46.0mm? 1998cc Audi A4 Touring Car 89.5mm 46.0mm? 1984cc Ibiza Kit Car 89.7mm 46.0mm? 1988cc Audi 80 Touring Car 90.0mm 46.0mm? 1990cc Golf Kit Car 92.2mm TBCmm 1996cc Skoda Fabia S2000 94.0mm ? 1998cc F3 Notes F3 Maximum bores / strokes - max bore or stroke fitments, for particular blocks - part complete, info appreciated! Engine code OE capacity OE Bore OE Stroke Max bore Max stroke GH+more 1457cc 79.5mm 73.4mm FB, FD + more 1471cc 76.5mm 80.0mm < 79.5mm* 1.6 EG non-H block 1588cc 79.5mm 80.0mm 82mm to confirm 86.4mm/90.5mm to confirm 1.6 EG H-block 1588cc 79.5mm 80.0mm 83mm 94.5mm with block clearance work (90.5 still needs work) DX/EV/PB/KR 1781cc 79.5mm 86.4mm 84mm 91mm*/92.8mm with block clearance work 6A/9A/ACE 1984cc 82.5mm 92.8mm 84-5mm 100mm** 2E/AGG/ADY/ABF/AEB 1984cc 82.5mm 92.8mm 84-5mm 100mm** * according to VW Front Wheel Drive Performance Handbook (Greg Raven) ** largest known - it must fit in these! Tables are good!
Well done mr chris nice topic So H block max bore 83mm but no room for a rebuilt Max stroke 94.5mm with some block grinding for the rods to swing by And the smaller gear for intermediate shaft or grinded gear For the EG block I believe there is less thickness on the cylinders so smaller bore I think 82mm max to be confirmed Max stroke is 86.4mm maybe 90.5mm but not sure about that neither I believe F3 engine was 94.5 mm stroke And read that oettinger was doing a 99mm or 100mm too I know of a french tuner boring DX up to 84 mm and fitting 92.8mm cranks with block work I did see the kit car kit for sale on some german tuners website With 90 mm crank 150 mm rods and 84mm pistons
Cheers Alex, now showing in black as a known modded spec (turbo, but there's only so much I can get in that table).
That table is tight, could you squeeze in a column for 81.5mm bore diameter? My KR with standard crank is now 1803 cc. Also check cc with 82.5 and 99mm crank, 2117cc. 6A/9A/ACE 1984cc 82.5mm bore, 92.8mm stroke
Chris, EG engines were H blocks in 1980, before that they were 1.6 blocks. So for your max bore table, the row with EG could be changed to '1.6 block'. Cheers
Was waiting for someone to post the link as laptop not working only Blackberry for now I think the post say it all .... different block dimension And thicker wall on H block Robert Collin sources As well as H block used on formula 3 engine not 1,6 block
EG is engine types But they came with two different block 1.6 stamped and the H stamped block I would say 1.6 was there first then H came after Let's not forget the H block was design to fit as standard the 86.4 crank (1.7) Which will explain the upgrade Nothing sure tho just assumption But sure it take bigger stroke crank and got thicker walls
So I think the info is right as it was? I can't see the smaller EG block coming after the H, so it has to be that order. I have added 1.6 to both rows.
so what crank and bore/stoke combo does the RE1900 gti engineering engine have? and would the pistons be a standard off the shelf item or specials? thanks
thanks for that chris but is that engine code right as my mates one is an 8v so would it not be a PB code?