Differences between Golf MK5 GTi engines 200 bhp and 230 bhp ?

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  1. Hurdy Forum Member

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    GTI is 200ps or 197bhp
    ED30 is 230ps or 227bhp

    GTI has K03
    ED30 has K04

    ED30 has a remote DV

    ED30 engine has some uprated internals

    :)
     
  2. DLBMKVGTI Forum Member

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    , stock bore 7.95 mm, autotech 9.77 mm, gain of 30ft.lbs and even better with stage 2. accelerates faster between 3-5 revs. The only bad thing is this plunger replaces the stock pump and slots into the stock housing. The apr fuel pump is a whole unit but twice the price at nearly 800 fitted.

    This was on the box it came in, Read this!-
    Thank you for purchasing Autotechs high volume output fuel pump kit for 2.0T VW and
    Audi engine applications, our part #10.127.100k.
    This kit is designed to provide up to 50% greater fuel volume than the standard factory
    fuel pump. In order to drive this additional fuel volume under the basic laws of physics it
    will take up to 50% proportionally more pressure to drive the pump.
    The pump is driven by a lobe on the factory intake camshaft which in turn drives the fuel
    pump piston through a follower. The pressure exerted on the cam lobe can be up to 50%
    greater than the standard application. Both VW and Audi have issued factory Technical
    Service Bulletins regarding abnormal camshaft wear and failure with the standard stock
    factory installed fuel pump. Both companies have issued corrective actions which
    include replacing the factory stock camshaft with a new camshaft that has improved
    surface hardened fuel pump lobes. The part number for this new camshaft is
    06F.109.101B and is available at any VW or Audi dealer.
    Before proceeding with the installation of Autotechs high volume fuel pump kit, it is
    imperative that the installer check for wear on the existing camshaft and follower. If
    worn, the camshaft must replaced. If not worn, it will be necessary to identify which
    camshaft you have in your engine by looking at the part number etched in the cam
    between the lobes for the number 2 and number 3 cylinders. The old style (less hardened
    cam) is marked with part #06F.109.101A. Those customers who have the old style cam
    should strongly consider changing to the new cam part #06F.109.101B.
    Regardless of which camshaft you are using, Autotech cannot guarantee that your
    camshafts fuel pump lobe will not experience increased wear leading to a catastrophic
    failure. All customers who choose to use Autotechs high volume fuel pump must accept
    the additional risk of camshaft failure. It is incumbent upon the customer to check for
    wear of the camshaft and follower on a regular basis and replace those parts as necessary
    as a preventive measure against future failure. To be able to enjoy the benefits of this
    part it is necessary for the customer to accept responsibility for wear and tear on other
    related parts as mentioned above on their vehicle.
    Antotech, therefore will not accept any warranty or merchantability claims for camshaft
    and/or follower failures or any damage as a result of those failures for this product. The
    customer agrees to accept all risk when using this product.
     
  3. Crispy 8V CGTI Committee - Club Secretary Admin

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    that more or less covering theirselves

    I have no idea how many 2 L TFSI owners would know how to check camshaft wear!
    good idea for getting around the tuning limitations of this engine.
     
  4. micky1 Forum Member

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    going s3 pump aswell. i have a late gti that has had the uprated pump cam obes etc and doesn't really suffer from fuel cuts as bad as the earlier engine.

    S3/ed30 injectors flow 13% more fuel, so i've been informed, hence the need for the larger pump.
     
  5. Hurdy Forum Member

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    I had the larger HPFP from Autotech fitted in May and it has been a fantastic little mod.
     
  6. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    I'm told Edition 30 cams have a bigger lobe, and can partly make up the gain seen on non-Ed 30 cams c/w Autotech pump, via the standard pump.

    How much was the Autotech pump? Don't APR do one too?
     
  7. Hurdy Forum Member

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    JBS did mine at the same time they developed their stage 2+ code on my car. last time I looked the upgrade was just over 700 for the map and the pump.

    The pump is around 3-400 on its own, depending on who you buy it from.

    APR's HPFP is a full, ready assembled pump rather than Autotech's internal upgrade parts approach. They beleive it gives a more sustainable quality product as there can obviously be variations in technical skills when building the Autotech one up for fitment.
     
  8. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    Thanks. Whilst it's not everyone's answer, it's worth pricing up Edition 30 cams, as they are cheaper, albeit the labour to fit might strip off the saving.
     
  9. coupechamp Forum Member

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    found this...
    Differences between VW Golf Edition 30, VW Golf Pirelli, Audi S3 and Seat Leon Cupra R Engines
    GTI - 200ps/197bhp/147kw/280nm

    Edition 30 - 230ps/226bhp/169kw/300nm

    Pirelli - 230ps/226bhp/169kw/300nm

    Seat Leon Cupra R - 240ps/237bhp/177kw/300nm

    Audi S3 - 265ps/261bhp/195kw/350nm (188kw Australia - temperature issue)

    Differences between the Volkswagen Golf GTI Engine and the Volkswagen Golf Edition 30 and Pirelli Engine.

    Larger Turbo from S3 (K04) rather then the K03 on the GTI
    87C thermostat instead of 80C
    Larger capacity fuel injectors (13% higher flow)
    Larger intercooler (smaller then the S3)
    Engine block main bearing caps, pedestals are reinforced
    Conrods have larger rod bolts and new bearings
    Pistons have 21mm gudgeon pins instead of 19mm
    Piston top ring is improved
    Recirculation Valve (blow off valve) not located on turbo
    The Audi S3 and the Edition 30/Pirelli/Seat Leon Cupra R share the same short block, same turbo and similar intercooler.

    Audi S3 (195 KW - 188KW Australia) is a BHZ code
    Edition 30 (169KW) is a BYD code
    Seat Leon Cupra R is a BWJ code

    S3 Turbo 06F 145 702 C KKK (06F145702 C KKK)
    Edition 30 Turbo 06F 145 702 C KKK (06F145702 C KKK)

    S3 Short Block BHZ 06F 100 035 (06F100035)
    Edition 30 Short Block BYD 06F 100 035 (06F100035)

    S3 Intercooler 1K0 145 803 P (1K0145803 P)
    Edition 30 Intercooler 1K0 145 803 A (1K0145803 A)

    Edition 30 Intercooler is smaller
     
  10. micky1 Forum Member

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    Edition 30 intercooler is the same as the gti one. Cupra r runs S3 spec intercooler.

    Later spec gti's have had the cam issues resolved hence no need for a fuel pump upto stage 2.

    Interestingly the rocco TFSI is different again! lighter block, K04 style turbo set up etc.
     

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