Lift pump bellows piece Mk2 16v

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  1. Matt Golf Forum Member

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    As is normal this is rotten so I am going to take it off and replace with fuel hose.

    Never replaced fuel hoses before, what do I go for an what diameter needed for this section.

    Cheers

    Matt
     
  2. Tristan

    Tristan Paid Member Paid Member

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    Which bit is the bellows?
     
  3. Matt Golf Forum Member

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    Its the metal thingy shown above, has rubber at each end but mine is jelly now.
     
  4. NateS2

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    Tristan Paid Member Paid Member

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    Why do I think that the conclusion on another thread was that you can replace that with a piece of rubber hose?
     
  6. rubjonny

    rubjonny Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    that piece is just a hose reducer as the 2 outlets are different sizes, can manage with normal hose
     
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    Good man RJ, I knew you would know for sure.
     
  8. Matt Golf Forum Member

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    RJ to the rescue. If the outlets are different sizes how can I use hose as this would be a uniform diameter?
     
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    What are the two diameters?
     
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    rubjonny Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    good question, hopefully someone has one they can measure :lol:

    the diameters are close enough you can get away with a suitable diameter hose and clamps, just cant recall what that size is :lol:
     
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    Yep, exactly. I've done the same myself, just can't remember the size of hose...

    Just checked an old pump I have here and the outlet of the pump is 9mm OD.
     
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  12. H8V

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    We'll be busy changing all the rubber fuel components later in the year, when the new E10 fuel comes out. It's either 'by' or 'from' September 2021, depending on which version of the change you read. "Fuelling a Greener Future"
     
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    rubjonny Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    from what I understand its only for the lower grade fuels, 97 and up are allowed to run less ethanol
     
  14. Jeff Siddall

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    Hi this is what ive just done yet to test it as yet I will prob make the pipe a little shorter.
    I have an offcut in soak to test.
    I did try heritage reducer pipe cut down but it fell to bits soaked in fresh fuel.

    Hose 9.5mm Codan J30 R9

    Pump 9.5mm
    Assembly 12.5mm

    Clamps 13-14mm and 18-20mm stainless steel fuel hose clamps.

    Pipe 50mm ish long

    12.5mm tight fit lubrication and manipulate to fit.

    Cut down bolt on 18-20mm clamp to clear plastic to allow assembly body spring to work.
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  15. Finite

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    Between this rubber piece and my experence of changing a dead main pump in November is why I took John's advice 11 years ago and put a Mk3 tank in my 8V. When I sold it the car was on it's 5th pump due to ethanol corrosion. Thankfully the last one was cheap and a doddle to do comparitively.

    Super fuel will remain E5 regular will be E10

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/e10-petrol-explained
     
  16. H8V

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    There is Codan 3133 and also Cohline 2240. Is one better than the other? Cohline provide more info on theirs and say it's suitable for ethanol, methanol, etc up to 100%. Codan doesn't give much info. Both are SAE J30 R9.

    As for submersible in tank hose only Cohline 2190 says it's suitable but it's only available in one size; 7.3mm id and 14.5 od. I read there is an SAE J30 R10 spec for submersible hoses, but that seems a pretty scarce product.

    Just trying to find what's best.
     
  17. NateS2

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    No you need an NBR/NBR line like 2190. Cohline 2240 is what I use for all external lines, bought from Cohpro. I believe Cohdan 3133 is equivalent, both FKM/FPM lined so very good
     
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    Thanks Nate. I'm thinking ahead to when fuel changes from E5 to E10. I'm pretty happy with either Cohline 2240 7.3mm id or Codan 3133 7.9mm id for the external hoses, provided I can bend it to fit to the fuel rail and return from the regulator.

    It's the small in-tank connector mentioned by Jeff Siddall a few posts above that might be an issue. He says the two diameters are 9.5 and 12.5, and that 9.5 Codan hose (not spec'ed as submersible) would only just fit on the 12.5mm. I suspect the submersible Cohline 2190 would be impossible to fit since it's only available in 7.3 id.

    Perhaps I should email Coline and Cohpro to ask.
     
  19. Jeff Siddall

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    I'm going to put two small sections of
    9.5mm Codan J30 R9 into soak.

    One in fresh petrol and one in ethanol to see what happens to them.

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