mk2 2L 16v Poor Power... HELP

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  1. chrismc Forum Junkie

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    No, not mine!!!! :lol: :lol:

    A guy I work with has a mk2 16v with a rebuilt lightened/balanced ABF bottom end, flowed head/manifolds, copy Schrick 268/276 cams etc etc

    He recently took the car to Stealth & had it RR'd but it only made 156BHP/133lbs/ft [:^(] Shockingly poor IMO.! I reckon it is at least 20BHP down..

    Vince told him he couldnt put any ignition advance on whatsoever as pinked its head off, so the ignition timing is now well retarded, even from standard, hence the low power....

    Has anyone got any ideas as to why this could be happening? The engine was built by a reputable company so the C.R shouldnt be too high, Compressions were 180/180/160/130...so too low on 2 cylinders if anything [:s] Head hasnt had a massive skim & block hasnt been decked

    Could cam timing affect ignition timing if set up wrong, given the dizzy runs off the exhaust cam??

    The power curve itself was smooth, & fuelling bang on (WUR mod done)....just a bit lame power wise....

    Anyone got any ideas? :)
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  2. martyn_16v Forum Junkie

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    I'd be looking into that cylinder with 130, there shouldn't be that much variance between the cylinders.
     
  3. chrismc Forum Junkie

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    He realises that the compressions are also a problem, but cant understand why it pinks so much even with retarded timing.. [:s]
     
  4. DODGER Forum Member

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    What did Vince say? If any one would know surely it would be him.
     
  5. chrismc Forum Junkie

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    I think Vince was a bit stumped from what I can gather...

    Suggested sticking KR cams back in but I cant see how that would affect Pinking
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    i had the same problem on my 2l with the old digi head, couldnt put anywhere near the std 6deg advance, was more like 0deg, but aparently that was due to the poor digi ignition map,

    i assume he's using the k-jet setup and not mk3 digi setup?
     
  7. matt Forum Member

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    I'd be looking at the comp ratios that last cylinder is poorly [xx(]
     
  8. GVK

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    :lol: Sounds familiar

    Has the engine got any other issues such as overheating? Wondering if it's got a headgasket weeping (on the 130 cylinder) That will make it pink.
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    Come to think of it. It may not be relevent, but one day i remember chatting to him at work. He was in his car with the engine runing and what seemed like not very long the fan cut in and out a couple of times.

    Could that be a factor Gary...
     
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    Could be Nick, I'd be having a look deeper to find out why it's got the low compression, surely it's got to be something to do with the pinking as well.
     
  11. smithy Forum Member

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    Remember I had the exact same problem, and it turned out to be the ECU. Couldnt run anywhere near standard advance because it pinked so much....

    EDIT: remember if he's running loads of retard on the ignition its going to run a lot hotter as well.
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  12. GVK

    GVK Paid Member Paid Member

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    Good point Smithy it could well be that causing the pinking, but that doesn't account for the 130psi comp on one cylinder.
     
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    Yeah, there must be something up with that cylinder right enough GVK, certainly wont be helping power...
     
  14. sife1 Forum Member

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    just a thought, How old many miles has the engine done since the rebuild?


    I've just come back from Stealth after putting K-Jet back on and could only go 3degrees before it pinks- Vince thinks the reason why is because my head is probably coked up to @^* from having run carbs for a couple years... the fuel pops off the red hot carbon before the spark.


    So could be that causing or supporting othersymptonsto the ignition problem[:s]???
     
  15. chrismc Forum Junkie

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    No..the head shouldnt be coked up as its all just been rebuilt/flowed etc etc..(about 10K ago)

    Vince did ask him if the engine was from a breakers (thinking cokeing could be the problem)
     
  16. rocco2litre

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    mine is std apart from 4-1 put out 158 and 142 lbs


    is that quite good?
     
  17. iguana Forum Member

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    Thoughts-

    - Copy shricks? by who? so could be any old profiles then?




    Silver rocco- about bang on whats to be expected @ Stealth of a decent valver engine with exhaust/4 branch.
     
  18. iguana Forum Member

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    Who flowed the head?
     
  19. kevh Forum Member

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    might have already melted two pistons.... head off and have a peep . paul h
     
  20. GVK

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    You're full of cheer Paul :lol:

    Doesn't sound good, but no cam or ecu will make an engine have low compression.
     

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