Guys, Say for example I would like to build a fast road 2.0 16v engine for my MK2 and would like to have around 180-200bhp, how would I go about doing it and how much would it cost me? Is it worth over boring and going towards 2.1 litres? What about the cylinder head - ported and polished? What else would I need to do? The engine is a standard 16v ABF unit at the moment. Any info and advice would be brilliant - I am hungry to learn what I need to do! Thanks
was there not a large topic like in the last 6mths about true 180-200bhp 16v's? and effort needed to get there http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=215409
Budget - 1000? Is that realistic? What about forced induction? I know I could go an drop a VR6 in it but to me that's defeating the object. I'm intrigued to know how I can build a well thought out fast road engine with optimal performance. This might be the holy grail or unachievable but I feel it necessary to utilise the combined brain of Club GTI and get some real world experiences. Gambit - thanks for your link to point me in the right direction I will have a read tonight. I haven't seen much debate or info regarding 2.1 Litre engines? Thanks
It all depends on budget and the current spec of the engine... A real world 200BHP is no easy task without spending a considerable amount- though others will no doubt disagree.
hmm....ultimate fast road.......I dont know what this is I am afraid ultimate suggests loads of power and torque and this is a race engine race engines make crap road engines what criteria has it got to fill?
I have the base 2.0 16v ABF from a MK3, it is complete and I still have the car it came from including gearbox. I am keen to learn, I have read through the thread posted previously by Gambit and I have also read PAB's thread on his own 200bhp ABF. Hi Rob- a bit ambiguous I know. To me the ultimate fast road would be torquey 'punchy' some may say? But with enough bhp to scream up the revs also. The best of both worlds perhaps? I don't know if this is possible but I am keen to learn how I can go about achieving this result. I like to idea of forced induction also and have read Toyotec's thread about his Wolf R which has enabled me to learn a lot. The car is a toy and is not used daily, I would like to use this opportunity to learn more about engines and not just as a quick and easy way of getting my MK2 towards 200bhp. I would fit a VR6 if that was all I wanted. I also like the idea of Megasquirt and this is something I am also very keen to learn about. I am just getting my head round the VERY basics of it I think. Appreciate your input chaps
P+P head and cams will see you around 170bhp/140ftlb running k-jet and WUR mod on an abf, after that its ITB's/Carbs, forced induction and/or bigger bore, longer stroke.
None of which you'll get for around 1000, as is the OPs budget. Personally, for around 1000, and looking for real world gains, I'd fit a LSD to the gearbox, change the FD to 3.94/4.2, fit a light flywheel, re-chip the ECU, modify the standard airbox and add a decent panel filter. 160ish genuine BHP, lower geared, and able to use all of the 160ish BHP it's got. That'll give the most benefit from 1000 in my view.
I think this is one of the better options although it will be in a mk2 so I imagine will be no need to chip ecu? maybe port the head if you can squeeze it out of your budget
He has the engine/box/loom as he has the car....so why would you not fit Digi 3.2? No way you'll do the head as well for under 1000...personally, I'd sort the rest of the car before I even thought about porting the head. Save that for later - with cams/ITBs etc.
Thank you Interesting viewpoint - great to get some real world opinions. The LSD is something I will read into further for sure. What would you suggest? I am keen to learn along the way! Is it best to fit my engine as it is and then learn how to improve it further once I have experienced it and got used to the drive feel and characteristics? Car is a 8v Digi but currently front end completely stripped down and rebuilding from scratch almost with all new parts where possible.
i presumed he already had a 16v so he could just dump in the abf instead of unwiring then rewiring a car, i imagine i presumed wrong
Even if he had, I'd still dump the early 16v and fit the full ABF set-up since he wants to play with cams/ITBs in the future, and with the full ABF set-up, much of the work you need for later on will already have been done.
