Hi all, Been a while since I've been on here as my car is currently off the road and sat around not going anywhere in a hurry[:^(]. Needs a fair bit of work to get it up together and ready for an MOT, but don't have the time at the moment, but I will do one day may be. Anyway, my question is what is the difference between the early MK2 type 19 shells and the later MK2....? noticed this being discussed in the 'First Project' thread by Kempster, but didn't want to hijack that thread. Is it just the big bumpers and no quarter lights...?? My car is an 88 plate GTi complete with quarter lights and the mirrors set back along the door a bit. I really must find some time to get it back on the road....
Hi mate what reg is your GTI? as the early mk2 went up to 87 1. as you say the windows and wing mirrors 2 no centre badge in the rear panel 3.LHD wind screen wipers 4.7slat grill 5 they have mechanical K-jet engines 6.washer bottle in the boot for rear window 7.small indicator stalks 8.clocks are different 9. they have striped interior 10. no seat belt adjusters or seat rocker 11. some early ones don't have side trim 12. no door speakers The list is endless the person to as is rubjonny he knows all iv got a 1985 mk2 with a BBS body kit if you need pics? My thread http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216704
Just an observation, it seems the "scene" is looking to make early Mk2 Golfs a little more trendy by playing on the Type 19 name tag, I'm sure (Correct me if I'm wrong) that ALL Mk2 Golfs & Jettas are based on the Type 19 platform and therefore the only difference should be referenced to the specific model year changes and updates from 1984 to 1992...
^ Completely agree. You rarely hear people talking about golf 1G Golfs do you and previously everyone and their dog wanted to have a "90spec" or "Big Bumper" model. It's ironic really that so many genuine early models with quarter light windows, have been butchered and made into 90spec replicas only for the trend to swap back to everyone wanting small bumpers and quarter windows. For me the main drawback of the earlier models is the CE1 wiring/fuse box which makes engine conversions a bit of a ball ache.
Not all the things on that list are Type 19 As by 87 type 19 cars don't have the washer bottle in the boot and have the seat belt adjusters and seat rock And can have door speakers A lot of things changed year by year
Mine's an E reg 8v GTi and it has most of the above (see comments).... Really must get it back on the road as it's not doing it any favours sat around. It's completetly standard apart from G60 BBS wheels as I smashed the originals on a kerb once..!!
This is the list I have so far, feel free to add/change anything that I have missed! 85-ish changes: dual tip exhausts on GTI models dual exhaust cutout on rear lower valance introduced MK1 style side stripes dropped side repeaters added single washer tank/pump instead of separate bottles/pumps for front/rear GTI downpipe changed from 'toilet bowl' to 6 stud flange Late 87 changes: 16v introduced 5 slat grill replaces old 7 slat grill front 'GTI' & 'GTI 16v' grill badge font & clip design changed left side rear 'VW' roundel & 'Volkswagen' badges removed, larger central 'VW' roundel with indent in panel introduced, right side 'Golf' badge font changed single piece glass front doors replace 2 piece MK1 style doors, mirror moved to front of door digifant injection replaces k-jet on 8v models chunkier stalks introduced wiper arms swapped to the other side on RHD models chunky rubbing strips bonnet & washer jets changed better quality dash fitted to all models as standard? steering wheel changed to single button jack panel modified with a little extra webbing material to floorpan area wiper loom hole enlarged, presumably so the extra plugs that pass through here for ECU looms can fit through easier 88-89 changes: digifant engines now have a blue 2 pin push fit ECU coolant temp sender, earlier models have a white threaded 2 pin sender large spline wheel column adaptors start being fitted handbrake lever & mount bracket, cables & rear calipers changed light switch changed to 11 pin 16vs got red/black tinted rear clusters, also on 8v '1 in 10 million' edition 256mm brakes on 16v 2 piece plastic timing belt cover 89-90 changes (90 spec): CE2 fusebox introduced complete wiring loom changed engine management loom hole on scuttle to rain tray area behind coil moved front wings all have 2 holes for big bumper brackets hazard switch moved to top of steering column dash clocks now have 1 plug instead of 2 coolant level sensor control relay removed, now internal to clocks (except with Digifiz & early Jetta CE2 which had CE1 clocks, relay is moved to fusebox) 16vs got plain rubber injector lines instead of braided thin rubbing strips, sill trims & front fogs on GTIs big bumpers on GTIs & GLs outer column housing ignition lock housing, ignition switch & stalks fusebox holder brackets driver side dash under tray fusebox cover boot carpet made of foam instead of carpet back panel on rear seats made of painted fibre board rather than carpeted colour coded boot plinth on GTI wiper spindles are thicker header tank, lower hose, cap, level sender, level sender plug & mounting bracket longer gearbox earth to a stud on engine->gearbox mounting bolt introduced lower engine bay heat shield on 8v GTI models sidelight holders have different plug front indicators have different plug horn loom has different plug reverse switch has different plug later 90 model improvements: key in ign live for stereo chunky plastic scuttle & ecu covers side impact bars in doors loom tape instead of thick plastic sheathing stuff stainless sunroof deflector arms jack panel modified with wider egg shaped dimple and for those really geeky people, you know the ones clarkson moans about MK2 production dates/chassis number spread 01.08.1983 - 19-E-300001 31.07.1992 - 1G-N-300000 hard data on chassis number production dates for major shell changes: 31.07.1987 - 19-H-990000 - last month early doors were fitted 31.07.1988 - 19-JB200000/19-JW990000 - last month of Typ-19 production (JBxx means made in Brussels, JWxx means made in Wolfsburg) 01.08.1988 - 1G-KB000001/1G-KW000001 - first Typ 1G chassis rolls off the production line ??.11.1988 - 1G-KB075001/1G-KW240001 - 256mm brakes fitted to 16v ??.12.1988 - 1G-K-400001 - CE2 electrics fitted to Jetta 01.08.1989 - 1G-L-000001 - CE2 electrics fitted to Golf Note above, lesser known fact the Jetta got the CE2 fusebox first, back in 1988! They also had CE1 clocks for a short while. Same time the Corrado was available for testing by the press
By definition ALL things on the list are Type 19 as every Mk2 Golf ever made was built on the Type 19 platform. It seems to me that the use of the phrase Type 19 has been adopted by people who want sell there early spec non GTI Mk2 Golf as something a bit rare and special.
PAB the reason for the type-19 statement is the VIN number. early mk2 'type 19' has vin wvwzzz19-x-xxnnnnnn up to 01-08-1988 then they switched to wvwzzz1G-x-xxnnnnnn. so technically its VW who started the distinction. quarter lights are type-19, after that they're type 1G it is one way to distinguish the quarter light body from the later style i guess, i just say pre-88 though
neither did i till today someone posted up blah blah 'type-19' and i thought hmm, lets see if its actually different on the chassis number or if its just all bollox. well it is still bollox really, shorter to say pre-88 than type-19
ah yes you are correct! the best way to know a type19 shell is the handbrake lever, if its got the mk1 lever then its a type19, if later type then type 1G just another reason why the type-19 seeeeen thing is so stoopid
I only bought a type 19 mk2 because I needed a golf that was over 25 as I thought I was going back back to the states in 2010. I love it though and wouldn't trade it for a newer one.
i wouldnt call that an improvement, id call it VW cost cutting!! along with the foam replacement in rear turrets in the boot
