8 valve engines - OEM, tuned + race outputs

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  1. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    On the heels of the 16-valve outputs thread, I've now compiled a stack of data on the original Golf GTI 8-valve engine. Production (UK, Europe, USA, Canada), tuner engine packages, all the way through to works rally, rallycross, Super Vee and F3.

    I've been working on it on & off since mid-November, and hope it turns out to be as interesting, if not more than than 16v version, due to the sheer variety once you start scratching the surface. I initially started with the early non-GTI engines, but there are so many of them (rumoured 50+) that I'll add just the key ones somewhere down the line.

    Thanks to danster, romain and various others for info on some of the more quirky 8v derivatives, plus also the Crossflow. This thread is definitely the excuse the CGTI grey matter collective needs to pull all the data together on not only the Crossflow, but the alloy blocked 06A castings, doubtless where we'll see a move towards more conversions in the future :thumbup:

    I'll start with the original GTI production engines, and then will add the other data once I've checked it through.

    All this info is from every place I can trawl, VW books, the 'net etc, but as before, I hope it's correct, but I don't pretend to be the last word. Don't hesitate to point out any errors, and they'll be fixed.

    Link to 4 cyl bore & stroke combinations.


    Production 8v GTI engines
    8vcutaway.jpg


    Engine code Years Model fitment Capacity Bore Stroke Power Torque C/R Comments
    XX 1973 Audi 80 GT 1588cc 79.5mm 80.0mm 9.5:1
    YS 1975 Audi 80 GTE 1588cc 79.5mm 80.0mm 110bhp @ 6,100rpm 102.9lb/ft @ 5,000rpm 9.5:1
    EG 1976 Golf GTI / Scirocco 1588cc 79.5mm 80.0mm 110bhp @ 6,100rpm 102.9/101lb/ft @ 4,800/5,000rpm 9.5:1 Flat 'Heron' head.
    DX 9/82-? Golf GTI UK (+Europe?) models 1781cc 81.0mm 86.4mm 112bhp@ 5,800rpm 109lb/ft @ 3,500rpm 10.0:1 Valve size increased given the bore increase. Lighter rods & pistons. Torsional vibration damper fitted.
    JH 1983 USA 1.8 GTI 1781cc 81.0mm 86.4mm 90bhp@ 5,500rpm (SAE net) 105lb/ft @ 3,250rpm 8.5:1 The GTI finally reached the US! Emissions spec 1.8 GTI on K-Jet, fitted to '83-'84 Rabbit GTI, + '84 Cabrio and Jetta GLI. Max revs 6,700rpm. Update: question over whether this engine ran on CIS (Digifant?) from the outset. Known to have been in Japan, Germany and USA with Digi at some stage. Engine listed as 1985-1989 also (non-GTI).
    DZ 11/82-10/91 Audi 80 GTE, 80 Sport, 80 1.8E, Coupe, 80 Quattro 1781cc 81.0mm 86.4mm 112bhp @ 5,800rpm 118 lb/ft @ 3,500rpm 10.0:1 Injection, solid lifters to 7/1985
    EV 1984 Mk2 Golf GTI, 1984 (UK/Europe) 1781cc 81.0mm 86.4mm 112bhp @ 5,500rpm 114lb/ft @ 3,100rpm 10.0:1 Bosch K-Jetronic
    HT Mk2 Golf GTI/GLI, 1985 (USA) 1781cc 81.0mm 86.4mm 100bhp @5,500rpm 105lb/ft @ 3,000rpm 10.0:1 Bosch KE-Jetronic CIS-E, catalyst. New pistons helped mixture swirl. Knock sensors to suit fuels & conditions. Max revs 6,750.
    RD Mk2 Golf GTI/GLI, 1986-88 (USA) 1781cc 81.0mm 86.4mm 102bhp @5,250rpm 110lb/ft @ 3,250rpm Bosch KE-Jetronic CIS-E, catalyst.
    PB 1987 Mk2 Golf GTI (UK/Europe) 1781cc 81.0mm 86.4mm 112bhp @ 5,500rpm 115lb/ft @ 4,000rpm 10.0:1 Digifant
    ?? Mk2 Golf GTI (UK/Europe, catalyst) 1781cc 81.0mm 86.4mm 107bhp @ 5,400rpm 115lb/ft @ 3,800rpm 10.0:1 Digifant
    PF 1987-1992 USA Mk2 Golf GT/GTI 1781cc 81.0mm 86.4mm 105 bhp @ 5,400rpm 110/4 ft/lbs @ 3,4/800rpm 10.0:1 Digifant
    ? 1990 South African Citi Golf CTi 1781cc 81.0mm 86.4mm 112bhp 10.0:1 Re-launched Mk1 Golf GTI.
    2E/ AGG/ ADY 1992 => 1998 Mk3 Golf GTI (UK/Europe) 1984cc 82.5mm 92.8mm 115bhp @ 5,400rpm 123lb/ft @ 3,200rpm 122lb/ft @ 2,600rpm ?10.0:1/10.4:1 Digifant

    Valve sizes - all 8mm stems, barring AGG & ADY (7mm). 2E are still 8mm.

    UK:

    40/33mm

    USA:

    1975-1982, smallish valves (38/33?)
    1983: GTI got 40mm/33mm
    1984: air shrouded injectors to improve fuel mileage

    38mm/33mm in low compression motors, 40mm/33mm for high compression

    General:

    Golf 1: 38mm/45mm throttle body
    Golf 2: 38mm/52mm throttle body
     
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  2. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    The 1700s

    The 1700s are a curious engine never seen in the UK, but were the critical source of '1800' cranks used by the tuners to increase 1600cc GTI engine sizes. The 1700 has been seen in USA Rabbits, but originate from the VW Iltis, a 4WD military-type vehicle, which has the regular VW 4-cyl engine married to an early incarnation of the Quattro drivetrain. Sometimes they are cast with '1.7' in the crankcase.


    Engine code Years Model fitment Capacity Bore Stroke Power Torque Compression Notes
    YX 1978-1988 Volkswagen Iltis (4WD)** 1715cc 79.5mm 86.4mm 75 PS @ 5,000rpm 100lb/ft @ 2,800rpm 8.2:1 Solex single-choke 1B1 carb.
    ? Later years Volkswagen Iltis (4WD)** 1715cc 79.5mm 86.4mm 70 PS @ 5,000rpm 7.3:1 Canadian low octane fuel version.
    EN H block 8/80-7/82 (US) & 12/83 (Japan) Chrysler Omni or Horizon. 1715cc 79.5mm 86.4mm 78bhp ? ??? Engine sold to outside marques. Block is marked '1.7'
    ? * 1982 US spec Rabbit, '81, '83 & '84 1715cc 79.5mm 86.4mm 65bhp Carburettor model
    ? * 1982 US spec Rabbit incl Rabbit S 1715cc 79.5mm 86.4mm 74bhp @ 5,000rpm (SAE net) 94 lb/ft @ 3,000rpm 8.5:1
    ? 1982 Scirocco (US) 1715cc 79.5mm 86.4mm 74bhp @ 5,000rpm 89.6 lb/ft @ 3,000rpm 8.2:1 4+E gearbox
    ? 1982 Scirocco (Canada) 1715cc 79.5mm 86.4mm 76bhp @ 5,000rpm 91.3 lb/ft @ 3,000rpm 8.2:1
    ? * 1983 US spec Rabbit incl Rabbit S
    1715cc 79.5mm 86.4mm 75bhp @ 6,100rpm 89 lb/ft 8.2:1
    ?? Golf GTI, 1980 (Canada) 1715cc 86.4mm 80.0mm 76bhp @ 5,000rpm 91.3lb/ft @ 5,000rpm Canada-emissions spec engine
    ?? 1983 1715cc 86.4mm 80.0mm 178bhp Prototype turbo engine
    EN H-block? Rabbit GTI 1715cc 102bhp 8.2:1?? USA, Westmoreland built, had std 1.7 non-GTI cam

    * "EN" is the engine code given for 1981-1984 in the Haynes VW Rabbit manual [96016 (884) - manual reference]. Some of the engine codes missing above can be assumed to be EN. 74bhp @ 5,000rpm, 90lb/ft @ 3,000rpm. CIS injection.

    ** - Iltis produced in Germany from 1978. Once military requirements satisfied by 1981, rights were sold to Bombardier Inc in Canada, who made them for the Canadian Army, 1984-5. In 1987 production moved back to Europe.

    Previous threads:

    http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=224287
    http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225287
     
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  3. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    Production 8v Supercharged 'GTI' engines


    Engine code Years Model fitment Capacity Bore Stroke Power Torque C/R Comments
    1H 1990? Mk2 Golf GTI Rallye (UK/Europe) 1763cc 80.6mm 86.4mm 160bhp @ 5,600rpm 166lb/ft @ 3,800rpm 8.0:1 Digifant
    PG 1990? Mk2 Golf GTI G60 (UK/Europe) 1781cc 81.0mm 86.4mm 160bhp @ 5,800rpm 165/6lb/ft @ 3,800rpm (or 4,000 rpm?) 8.0:1 Digifant. Two bhp loss with cat in USA.

    Valve sizes: TBC
     
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    16v engines
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    Tuner Conversion name Engine code Capacity Bore Stroke Power Torque C/R Comments
    Oettinger E/16 EG 1588cc 79.5mm 80.0mm 134bhp @ 6,500rpm 116/118lb/ft @ 5,500rpm 10.2 or 10.5 :1? 31mm + 27mm valves, block is marked 'H'. Max revs: 7,500rpm, but can be tuned to go to 8,500.
    1800 E/16 I EG 1796cc 79.5mm 90.5mm 125 bhp @ 5,750rpm 116 lb/ft @ 4,600rpm 10.2:1 90.5 Oettinger crank, 46mm bearings, 136mm Audi diesel rods, bolted up (not stud down+nut)
    1800 E/16 I ? 1781cc 81.0mm 86.4mm 142bhp @ 6,100rpm 124 lb/ft @ 5,000rpm 10.2:1 Appers to be a later spec, found here. This matches what was used in the second twin-engined (Mk2) Scirocco. The engine is possibly a DX code, despite being listed as EG on the link.
    1800 E/16 II DX 1781cc 81mm 86.4mm 150bhp Mk2 Golf conversion
    1800 E/16 I DX 1807cc 195bhp @ 7,500rpm 169lb/ft @ 5,800rpm 11.0:1 1985 Pikes Peak twin-engined Mk2 Golf. Competition version on K-Jet. Engines had shorter Mk1 inlet.
    2000 E/16 I EG 1972cc 81.5mm 94.5mm 150 bhp @ 6,100 rpm 135 lb/ft @ 5,100rpm 10.0:1 Mk1 Golf conversion, Oettinger crank, 46mm big end bearings, 136mm Audi diesel rods, bolted up (not stud down+nut). Less torque than Mk2 version due to shorter, bigger diameter inlet tract. 268 cams. Max revs: 6,500rpm.
    2000 E/16 I DX 1996cc 82.0mm 94.5mm 160 bhp ? Mk1 Golf conversion. Max revs: 6,500rpm.
    2000 E/16 II EV 1996cc 82.0mm 94.5mm 170 bhp @ 6,250rpm 146 lb/ft @ 5,000 rpm 10.5:1 Mk2 Golf conversion (Year: 1984). Torquier engine than the Mk1 due to longer narrower inlet tract length. 272 or 276 cams. Max revs: 6,500rpm.
    Drake 1935cc 82.5mm 90.5mm 257bhp @ 8,500rpm 181lb/ft @ 6,500rpm 14.0:1 33.7mm intake, 29.6mm, Oettinger crank, Hilborn/ Drake/ Waterman injection, running on Methanol.
    1935cc 82.5mm 90.5mm 280bhp @ 8,750rpm 180lb/ft @ 7,500rpm Oettinger crank, Hilborn injection, crank-triggered ignition. Also seen quoted as 295 HP (SAE) by Robert Collins.
    Graf 1900cc 82.0mm 94.5mm 240bhp Unmarked Austrian heads, imported for Autocavan by Steve Bowen. Built by Tony Bishop and used by John Button in UK Rallycross. Transpired to be Graf heads.

    Mk1 Golf Oettinger cars sold in France were badged as the "16S", S = Soupapes.
    Mk2 Golf Oettinger conversions in France were badged as "16 Ventiler"
    Drakes were available in 1.6 to 2.0 litre formats


    Race specfication

    1600cc engine prepared in the KWL 2011 Mk1 Golf GTI to celebrate 35 years of the Golf GTI was quoted at 211bhp, up from 134 bhp standard. Running Kugelfisher injection and 314 Schrick cams.


    Rod/crank interchangeabilty

    Engine Block Bore Stroke Rod type Big end dia Notes
    Std 1600 Mk1 GTI EG 79.5 80 136mm 46mm OEM crank
    Oettinger 1800 Mk1 EG 79.5 90.5 136mm 46mm Oettinger crank
    Std 1800 Mk1 GTI DX 81 86.4 144mm 47.8mm OEM crank
    Std 1800 Mk2 GTI EV 81 86.4 144mm 47.8mm OEM crank
    Oettinger 2000 Mk1 EG 81.5 94.5 136mm 46mm Early 94.5mm Oettinger crank, H-block
    Oettinger 2000 Mk2 EV 82 94.5 144mm 47.8mm Later 94.5mm Oettinger crank

    Valves:

    30mm inlet, 27mm exhaust (1600 & 1800 E 16)

    More Oettinger info here:

    http://www.okrasa.no/oettinger/
    http://www.passiongolfgti.com/rubrique.php?id_rubrique=127
    http://www.golftype17.com
     
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    Crossflow 8v engines

    Three known engine types. There are numerous other codes for the same engines but we do not yet have a definitive list.

    Engine code Years Model fitment Capacity Bore Stroke Power Torque C/R Comments
    ABA 1984cc 82.5mm 92.8mm 114 bhp @ 5,400 rpm 122 lb/ft @ 3,200 rpm 10.0-10.5:1 058 type iron block
    ADP 99 bhp 058 type iron block, Audi A4
    APK 1984cc 82.5mm 92.8mm 114 bhp @ 5,200 rpm 125 lb/ft @ 2,400 rpm 10.0-10.5:1 06* type iron block
    AKL 1994-05 Golf (97-00)/ Bora (99-02)/ Leon (2000-05) S, SE, Octavia (94-97) Ambiente, Classis, GLXi 1595cc 81.0mm 77.4mm 99 bhp @ 5,600 rpm 107 lb/ft @ 3,800 rpm 10.3:1 06* type alloy block, 150mm rods, 20mm pin.
    AVU 1595cc 81.0mm 77.4mm 99 bhp @ 5,600 rpm 107 lb/ft @ 3,800 rpm 10.3:1 06X type alloy block
    AVU 1595cc 81.0mm 77.4mm 99 bhp (101 PS) 06X block material TBC
    BFQ 1595cc 81.0mm 77.4mm 99 bhp (101 PS) 06X block material TBC
    AEG 1999-2003 USA Mk4/ Jetta, Passat, Golf, New Beetle, Audi 1984cc 82.5mm 92.8mm 115bhp @5,200rpm 122lb/ft at 2,600rpm Montronic. Block ?
    AEH 1994-05 Golf (97-00)/ Bora (99-02)/ Leon (2000-05) S, SE, Octavia (94-97) Ambiente, Classis, GLXi 1595cc 81.0mm 77.4mm 06* alloy block
    AHL 1997-99 Passat Mk4 E, S, SE 1595cc 81.0mm 77.4mm 06* alloy block
    First three pending confirmation:
    AEK 1994-97 Golf Mk3 GL 1595cc 81.0mm 77.4mm 100bhp 058 iron block
    AFT 1994-99 Golf Mk3 Cabrio, GL, SE 1595cc 81.0mm 77.4mm 100bhp ? iron block
    AKS 1994-99 Golf Mk3 Cabrio, GL, SE 1595cc 81.0mm 77.4mm 100bhp ? iron block
    ADP 1997-00 Passat Mk4 1595cc 81.0mm 77.4mm 100bhp ? iron block
    AVH 1999-2003 USA Mk4/ Jetta, Passat, Golf, New Beetle, Audi 1984cc 82.5mm 92.8mm ? block
    AZG 1999-2003 USA Mk4/ Jetta, Passat, Golf, New Beetle, Audi 1984cc 82.5mm 92.8mm ? block
    BEV 1999-2003 USA Mk4/ Jetta, Passat, Golf, New Beetle, Audi 1984cc 82.5mm 92.8mm ? block


    Valve sizes:

     
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    Tuner 8v engines
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    Tuner Engine name Engine code Capacity Bore Stroke Power Torque C/R Comments
    ABT 1800 ES EG 1781cc 81.0mm 86.4mm 133 bhp @ 6,200 rpm 11.0:1 ABT cam, 1700 US crank, 38mm inlet valves, K-Jet mod, exhaust
    BR Motorsport 125 EG 1847cc 82.5mm 86.4mm 125 bhp @ 5,500rpm Rebuilt head, block bored, Mahle sports pistons. Ignition & fuel injection modified to suit
    126 DX cc 126 bhp @ ? rpm ?lb/ft @ ? rpm
    135 DX 1892cc 83.5mm std 142 bhp @ 5,500rpm 150lb/ft @ 4,500rpm 9.5:1 Omega pistons
    140 EG 1847cc 82.5mm 86.4mm 140 bhp @ ?,?00rpm ?lb/ft @ ? rpm As BRM 125, except the head was gas flowed, as were inlet and exh manifolds. Reprofiled inlet and exhaust valve seats & valves + 276 degree cam with 11.3mm of lift.
    142 DX 1892cc 83.5mm std 142 bhp @ 5,500rpm 150lb/ft @ 4,500rpm 9.5:1 Omega pistons
    150 DX? 2070cc 150 bhp @ ? rpm ?lb/ft @ ? rpm
    152 DX 1984cc 82.5mm 92.8mm 152 bhp @ ? rpm ?lb/ft @ ? rpm Passat crank, Schrick cam, balanced bottom end, gasflowed cylinder head
    180 MS PG 1781cc ?? ?? 190 bhp Conversion for the G60, modified camshaft, ECU, fuel pressure reg, smaller pulley
    Cresson EG 1870cc 82.5mm 86.4mm 144 bhp @ 6,100rpm 119 lb/ft @ 4,800rpm 10.2:1 French tuner, circa 1982. 40.5mm inlets, 35mm exhaust, upgraded cam + springs & performance exhaust. Likely that the bore was 83mm as maths don't make 1870cc. Max revs: 6,500rpm.
    GTI Engineering RLR 1800 EG 1781cc 81mm 86.4mm 130 bhp 1588cc block with 86.4mm balanced crank from the US 1715cc block (before it became available in the 1781cc DX engine), Cosworth forged pistons, gas flowed cylinder head & manifolds, baffled sump.
    RLR 1800 Plus EG 1781cc 81mm 86.4mm 140 bhp EG 1588cc block with 86.4mm balanced crank from the US 1715cc block, Cosworth forged pistons, larger 38.5mm inlet & 32.5mm exhaust valves, high lift cam, heavy duty springs, large throttle body, gas flowed cylinder head & manifolds, baffled sump.
    RLR 1800 C FP, FR 1588cc 81mm 86.4mm 125 bhp 86.4mm balanced crank, Cosworth forged pistons, larger inlet & exhaust valves, alternative carburettor, gas flowed cylinder head & manifolds, baffled sump. Also available for the CH & JB 1460cc engine, made to the same capacity as above.
    1800 Plus Pac DX/EV/PB + Scirocco equiv 1781cc 81mm 86.4mm 135 bhp @ 5,600rpm 134lb/ft @ 4,500rpm 10:01 276 degree cam, uprated valve springs, large throttle body, gas flowed inlet & exhaust manifolds, raised compression ratio?, larger valves (40mm & 33mm), distributor modified
    RE1900 EV/PB + Scirocco equiv 1870cc 83mm 86.4mm 142bhp @ 5,500rpm 148lb/ft @ 4,500rpm 10:01 Alloy autothermic pistons, 276 degree cam, uprated valve springs, large throttle body, gas flowed inlet & exhaust manifolds, larger valves (40mm & 33mm), distributor modified
    RLR 2000 DX/EV 2021cc 82.5mm 90.4 or 94.5mm 135 bhp 90.4mm balanced crank, Cosworth forged pistons, baffled sump.
    RLR 2000 Plus DX/EV 2021cc 82.5mm 90.4 or 94.5mm 145/150 bhp 90.4mm balanced crank, Cosworth forged pistons, high lift cam, heavy duty springs, large throttle body, cylinder head modifications, large capacity finned alloy sump and alloy camshaft cover. Similar torque characteristics to RLR 2000, but with additional top end power.
    RE2000 EV/PB + Scirocco equiv 1996cc 82mm 94.5mm 152bhp @ 5,500 rpm 158lb/ft @ 4,500rpm 10:01 Tuft-rided EN 24 crank, lead indium HD crank bearings, alloy autothermic pistons, 276 degree cam, gas flowed head + manis, larger valves (42mm & 35mm), re-profiled valve seats, uprated valve springs, modified cam timing, distributor + inj system
    ? PG 1781cc ?? ?? 190 bhp Unnamed conversion for the G60
    Oettinger 1800 E I EG 1796cc 79.5mm 90.5mm 123bhp @ 5,500 or 5,750rpm 116 lb/ft @ 5750rpm 9.7:1 Mk1 Golf, Oettinger crank, 46mm big end bearings, 136mm Audi diesel rods, bolted up (not stud down+nut), 40mm inlets, 34mm exhausts.
    1800 E II EV 1781cc 81.0mm 86.4mm 125bhp Mk2 Golf, 144mm rods
    2000 E I EG 1972cc 81.5mm 94.5mm 134bhp @ 5,600rpm 133lb/ft @ 4,500rpm 9.7:1 Mk1 Golf, Oettinger crank, 46mm big end bearings, 136mm Audi diesel rods, bolted up (not stud down+nut), 40mm inlets, 34mm exhausts.
    2000 E II EV 1996cc 82.0mm 94.5mm 140bhp Mk2 Golf, Oettinger crank, 47.8mm big end bearings, 144mm rods
    Nothelle 1800 ES EG 1781cc 81.0mm 86.4mm 131 bhp @ 6,000 rpm 10.0:1 Schrick cam, 1700 US crank, 40mm inlet valves, K-Jet mod, exhaust
    Techtonics DX/EV 1870cc 83mm 86.4mm 142 bhp
    TSR Donington 1.9 Pack A gasflowed head, TSR 102 or 202 cam (depending on solid lifters / hydraulic)
    Brands Hatch 2 82.5mm Pack C big-valve gasflowed head, TSR 102 or 202 cam (depending on solid lifters / hydraulic)
    Silverstone 2.1 Pack C big-valve gasflowed head, TSR 103 cam
    Spa PG 2 Pack A gasflowed head, Schrick cam
    Zllner 1750 ES EG 1731cc 83.0mm 80.0mm 117 bhp @ 6,000 rpm 9.6:1

    More 8v Oettinger info here:

    http://www.golftype17.com/prospectus/prospectus.htm
     
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    Turbo engines

    Tuner Engine name Engine code Capacity Bore Stroke Power Torque C/R Comments
    Callaway 79.5mm 80.0mm 130 bhp @ 5,700rpm (0.37 or 0.41 bar TBC) +45% @3,700rpm Std (9.5 or 10) 1.6, 1.7 & 1.8 conversions avail. Intercooler std on 1.8, optional otherwise. Water injection used if no intercooler fitted.
    79.5mm 80.0mm 185bhp @ 5,700rpm (0.69 or 0.86 bar TBC) +75% @3,700rpm Std (9.5 or 10) Fifth injector. 1.6, 1.7 & 1.8 conversions avail. Intercooler std. This may be 1.8 l.
    81.0mm 86.4mm 150bhp @ 5,500rpm (0.69 or 0.86 bar TBC) 160lb/ft @3,500rpm 7.8:1 Bosch KE, IHI RHB5 turbo, integral wastegate. Copper cyl head gasket spacer. Max revs 6,750.
    Hartmann Motorsport Poss evidence seen of existence
    Iresa EG 1588cc 79.5mm 80.0mm 140 bhp @ 6,500 rpm 156lb/ft @ 3,500 rpm 9.5:1 Circa 1982. Exhaust maker, Bordeaux area, Garrett T3 turbo. Max revs: 6,500rpm.
    Rinnspeed EG 1588cc 79.5mm 80.0mm 133 bhp @ 6,100 rpm 8.5:1 Swiss tuner, Rotomaster turbo, no intercooler, 0.5 bar boost.
    EG 1608cc 80.0mm 80.0mm 150 bhp @ 6,100 rpm 137lb/ft @ 4,500 rpm 7.0:1 Circa 1981. No intercooler. Most powerful Golf engine at the time.
    Schmidt Motorsport EG 143 PS 1980
    Schrick EG 1588cc 79.5mm 80.0mm 143 bhp @ 6,200 rpm 151lb/ft @ 3,300 rpm 9.5:1 Circa 1981. KKH turbo, big intercooler, 0.65 bar peak, 0.4 normal.

    Engelien Racing turbo Golf seen, 1981. Wide body, bumperless, road registered. No more details.

    See also prototype 1715cc engine in "The 1700s" (above), created by VW.

    More info on the Schrick here:

    http://www.passiongolfgti.com/rubrique.php?id_rubrique=124
     
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    Race 8v engines
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    Model fitment Engine code Capacity Bore Stroke Rod length Sump Year Power Torque C/R Max revs ECU Comments Builder
    Golf 1 Group 1 rally EG 1588cc 79.5mm 80.0mm 136mm wet 1977 120bhp 11.2:1 K-jetronic Std plenum
    Golf 1 Group 1 race EG 1588cc 79.5mm 80.0mm 136mm wet 1981 148bhp @ 7,500rpm 7,800rpm Lucas fuel injection/ Lumenition ignition John Morris car, Neil Walker cam Neil Walker / John Judd Engine Developments
    EG 1588cc 79.5mm 80.0mm 136mm wet 1981 145-50bhp@7,200rpm K-jetronic?? Std plenum?? GTI Engineering, 38mm inlet, 31mm exh
    Golf 1 Mod Saloon EG 1812cc 81mm 88.0mm wet 1979 212bhp Lucas mechanical injecton Autocavan Mk1, Gordon Allen Crank
    EG 1900cc 82mm 90.0mm wet 1984 195bhp Lucas mechanical injecton Autocavan Mk1, Gordon Allen Crank
    Golf 1 Group 2 rally EG 1588cc 79.5mm 80.0mm wet 1978 180bhp 11.2:1 Zenith fuel injection Special cylinder head
    Golf 1 Group 4 rally EG H-block 1791cc 81.25mm 86.4mm wet 1981 193bhp 11.2:1 Oettinger 16v head
    Golf 1 Group 1 rallycross EG 1814cc 81mm 88.0mm wet 1979 180bhp Weber carburettors John Button Autocavan / Autoconti
    EG 1588cc 79.5mm 80.0mm wet 1983/4 180bhp @ 7,200rpm 148lb/ft @ 5,800rpm Zenith Pierberg ITBs Eckhart Berg
    EG 1791cc 81.25mm 86.4mm wet 1983/4 180bhp @ 7,200rpm 148lb/ft @ 5,800rpm 10.9:1 Zenith Pierberg ITBs Eckhart Berg, used in second twin-engined Scirocco
    Golf 1 Group 2 race EG 1598cc 79.5mm 80.0mm 136mm wet 1979 185-90bhp @ 8,200rpm 12.5:1 8,500rpm Kugelfischer mechanical fuel injection Slide throttles GTI Engineering/Ricketts, 12.5mm lift, 40mm inlet, 35mm exhausts, flat top pistons, chamber in head
    EG 1588cc wet 1977 175bhp @ 7,500rpm Kamei Golf running in Germany, 1978 or prior season. Mueller Tuning / Oscar PS Group 2 engine.
    EG 79.75mm 80mm wet ? 182PS @ 8,300 -8,500rpm 131lb/ft @ 6,000rpm 11.6:1 Weber 48s Muller Scirocco. Mueller Tuning Group 2 engine, lift was 11 -11.5 mm / duration 320-320.
    EG 1588cc wet 1980 200bhp @ 5,800rpm 11.5:1 Kamei Golf running in the USA, 1980 season. Mueller Tuning Group 2 engine from West Germany.
    EG 1598cc 79.5mm 80.0mm 136mm wet 2008 188bhp Kugelfischer mechanical fuel injection Slide throttles KWL Scirocccos
    Audi 80 Group 2 race EG 1588cc 79.5mm 80.0mm 136mm wet 158bhp @ 7,600rpm & 121lb/ft @ 6,500rpm Kugelfischer mechanical fuel injection Slide throttles French car
    Golf 1 Group A rally DX 1781cc 81mm 86.4mm 144mm wet 1982 11.2:1 K-jetronic Std plenum
    Golf 1 Group A race EG or DX TBC 1588cc or 1781cc TBC 79.5mm or 81mm TBC 79.5mm or 86.4mm TBC 144mm wet 1983 150-160bhp @ 7,250rpm 12.0:1 K-jetronic Std plenum Cosworth pistons, 328 Schrick cam (GTI Engineering)
    Golf 2 Group A rally EV 1802cc TBCmm 86.4mm 144mm wet 1983 180ps @ 7,500rpm 205Nm @ 6,000rpm 11.2:1 K-jetronic Std plenum Lehmann
    EV 1781cc 81mm 86.4mm 144mm wet 1984 167bhp 11.2:1 K-jetronic Std plenum Lehmann
    EV 1781cc 81mm 86.4mm 144mm wet 1985 170bhp @ 6,800rpm 11.5-12.0:1 K-jetronic Std plenum Lehmann, 296 / 11.2mm (forest), 316 / 11.5mm (tarmac/race)
    EV 1781cc 81mm 86.4mm 144mm wet 1986 170bhp @ 7,200rpm 11.0:1 K-jetronic Std plenum Lehmann
    Golf 2 Pikes Peak 1781cc 81mm 86.4mm 144mm wet 1985 185bhp 11.0:1 K-jetronic Std plenum Oettinger 16v
    Golf Rallye Group A rally 1H 1763/41cc 80.6mm 86.4mm 144mm wet 1989 280bhp Power Engineering (Uxbridge)
    Super Vee EG 1588cc 79.5mm 80mm ?mm dry ?160bhp @ 7,500rpm
    EG 1588cc 79.5mm 80mm ?mm dry 19?? ?170bhp 11.2:1 Lucas? Spiess/Judd?
    EG 1588cc 79.5mm 80mm ?mm dry 1984 ?185bhp @ 7,800-8,000rpm 133 lb/ft @ 6000rpm 13.0:1 Engine Developments/Judd
    EG 1588cc 79.5mm 80mm ?mm dry Drake
    EG 1588cc 79.5mm 80mm ?mm dry 1980 ?185bhp @ 8,500rpm 166lb/ft @ 6,500rpm 12:01 Tom Davey Killer Bee Scirocco, 1980 season, unrestricted. Link.
    EG 1588cc 79.5mm 80mm ?mm dry 1985 ?190bhp @ 8,800rpm 12:01 Volkswagen Motorsport USA publication
    F3 DX? 1998cc 82.25mm 94mm dry 1984 159-162bhp 12.7:1 Brabham, 24 mm air restrictor, max revs 6,200rpm
    DX? 1998cc 82.25mm 94mm dry 1984 164bhp Speiss, 24 mm air restrictor, developed to about 176 -180 hp
    DX? 1999cc 82.25mm 94mm dry 1986 162bhp @ 5,400rpm 164lb/ft @ 5,000rpm 11.5:1 Lumention Lucas mechanical inj John Judd Engine Developments, Golf GTI engine, 23mm restrictor
    DX? 1999cc 82.25mm 94mm 144mm dry Ltd by air Speiss, Alfing Kessler crank, EG head 41mm inlet / 36mm exhaust, 14.9mm lift, 40mm dia lifter, DX block
    USA F3 AEG 2.0cc dry > 210bhp > 8,500rpm Bertils, Chicago. 06X block, crossflow head.
    AEG 2.0cc 82.5mm 92.8mm 144mm dry 199.9bhp @ 7,200rpm 162.6;b/ft @ 5,200rpm 12.4:1 > 8,500rpm Bertils, Chicago. 06X block, crossflow head, 46mm TWM ITBs, forged crank, Carillo rods, Wiseco pistons, 310* BRS F3 grind cam, 37mm dia lifters, solid lifters, lash caps, 40.5mm intake & 35mm exhaust, ARP main studs, rod bolts, head studs. 190bhp from 5,000 to 7,400rpm.
    Audi 80 Quattro Supertourisme 3A derivative 1998cc dry 1991 400bhp 236lb/ft Audi Sport/ROC
     
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  9. vw_singh Events Team Paid Member

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    You've got the power/torque and bore/stroke in the wrong columns for the G60 engines.

    Gurds
     
  10. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    Thanks, all fixed!

    No sign of the 8AS this morning!! [:s]

    Tuner info adding in a sec.
     
  11. madasafish100

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    the TSR Brands hatch has a bore of 82.5 and a stroke of 92.8 using a diesel crank, same as a 3A bubble block audi engine basically. CR is unchanged from std aparantly according to Rob at TSR.

    As for power, mine was crap and i had to have it rebuilt and the CR setting right for the cam they supply in the engine, getting me 16hp more and 22lb/ft more torque.....wouldnt recommend them but thats prob not for this thread!
     
  12. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    A diesel crank is 95.5mm & the 92.8mm is the normal OEM 2 litre crank.
     
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    sorry my mistake its the 95.5mm [:$]
     
  14. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    Hmmm, suspect it's changed over the years, since that would make it a 2.1.
     
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    ABA and APK - 1,984 cubic centimetres (121.1 cu in) inline-four engine (R4/I4); bore x stroke: 82.5 by 92.8 millimetres (3.25 in 3.65 in), stroke ratio: 0.89:1 - undersquare/long-stroke, 496.1 cc per cylinder, compression ratio: 10.0-10.5:1

    ABA - 85 kilowatts (116 PS; 114 bhp) @ 5,400 rpm; 166 newton metres (122 ftlbf) @ 3,200 rpm
    APK - 85 kilowatts (116 PS; 114 bhp) @ 5,200 rpm; 170 newton metres (125 ftlbf) @ 2,400 rpm

    AKL - 1,595 cubic centimetres (97.3 cu in) inline-four engine (R4/I4); bore x stroke: 81.0 by 77.4 millimetres (3.19 in 3.05 in), stroke ratio: 1.05:1 - oversquare/short-stroke, 398.8 cc per cylinder, compression ratio: 10.3:1, 74 kilowatts (101 PS; 99 bhp) @ 5,600 rpm; 145 newton metres (107 ftlbf) @ 3,800 rpm

    Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Volkswagen_Group_petrol_engines
     
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    Infact with the 82.5mm it makes it a 2042cc, so would still come into the 2 litre bracket.
     
  17. romaingirardlamamy

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    well Oettinger was offering

    options on two engine base the 1.6 /110bhp
    and the 1.5 /70bhp

    lets not forget the turbo options which was a big trend at the time
    schrick , rinspeed , iresa , and this american company but the name sleept out of my mind

    for the 16 valves options
    well....
    of course Oettinger again;) , drake and graff
    I got all the numbers for oettinger some infos on the drake but not much on the graff

    and there also was one french tuner which was also a big player
    as he also make race some mk1 in monte carlo in 1979
    cresson which was offering a 1.9 option competing directly with oettinger and other name named earlier
     
  18. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    Thanks Romain, hopefully more info to add later.

    @ Funky Diver, cheers for the PM & the post. Crossflow info now updated with more.
     
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    No worries... I'll measure the valve sizes on my AKL head later this evening once I've murdered/put my kids to bed
     
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    AKL valve sizes are: inlet 39.5mm and exhaust 33mm. 7mm stem, hydro head length of 91mm.

    No need for Funky to murder his kids now. :thumbup:
     

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