It`s funny how such a minor issue can be molehilled into some kind of all encompassing debate using the 19th century Us Vs Them mentality. I guess it`s to be expected with imperialism making a dramatic comeback. It`s funny how we can get on our high horses about sikhs abjecting to a play that portrays sexual violence in one of their temples, when at the moment by sitting around in deluded apathy we are sanctifying war crimes being committed by our own troops and our allies abroad. What a glorious double standard, still I guess it`s far easier to identify someone different from us as a scapegoat than evaluate our own actions in a balanced light. Before anyone tries to pull that sh*trag patriotism lark on me, I suggest they read the following articles and reflect on what kind morality our "civilised" flag really stands for. Atrocities in the name of "democracies" In your name? Behind the imagery, lies a reality, one which with our votes or lack of dissent we help to create Of course we all lead such busy lives these days, I guess fighting eachother for the means to acquire crap we don`t need transcends the need to protect basic human rights. My grandfather died in WW2 to protect this country from attitudes of intolerance and hatred. By submitting to the current rationale on the middle east and asylum seekers people are spitting on our national heritage and on the freedoms that were earned from the sacrifices of an entire generation.
Tried expressing my views against the iraq war on this forum when it started (the war not the forum ), One of the more intelligent replies was "go back to your own country" sound familiar? Nuff said.
Yeah but they were right, you should have gone back to your collection of lines on a piece of paper. Your probably only here to suck dry our welfare state and bomb the remnants of our national heritage. BTW does anyone disagree with my post? does anyone have the nerve to champion the path of ignorance? Anyone here support the war?
the queens a reptile, and all the worlds leaders are all freemasons, who are brainwashing us. so there ive been reading a little too much david icke methinks Edited by: lathamescortmk2
sadly the war has no cause, they have toppled saddam( which keeps the human rights people happy for five minutes now they are moaning about something else in the country) I don't disagree with the war but it really has no current purpose.
Yes thats right i dare to disagree with the official line. I must be some kind of nutjob conspiracy theorist! or am I a terrorist?! Nevermind that the arguements are backed up by documented proofs or that we are motivated merely out of empathy. It`s far better to go along with the proven liars who are motivated by ego and greed. Nice one! Heaven forbid we should have independent thought, we might even end up with progress! Edited by: azrael
F*ck me - who dragged this old turkey up ? Honestly, who in the name of all thats holy (no religious insult intended) opened this can of beans ? Whats that you say ? It was who ? ... It was me ??
I agree with the war. Thouh I do disagree with the bullsh1t they told us as an excuse to go in. I also think that if people want to come and live in this country they should pay their way. we should start to look after our own like they do in the USA, Canada and Australia. All the do gooders wanting to take all the worlds problems in when we can,t even look after our own OAPs, the very people who fought for our freedom and payed taxes all their lives are worse off than the asylum seekers. Befor anyone has a go at me for speaking out against asylum seekers, my gf's Grandad was an asylum seeker from chekoslovakia in the second world war, the difference then was that theese people wanted to earn their keep. They worked for a living and asked for nothing more. The people who come now arrive with their hand out wanting a free ride.
romeo and juliet...... one of the best plays of all time depicts a suicide in a church, christianity is vastly against suicide yet this wasnt deemed as outrageous, even at the time. Or even when it was remade into a film. so why is this so vastly different to the play in question now?
Ok you start off with an opinion but where is your justification for this? You must have reasons, and the b*llpoo reasons you mentioned are the only ones that exist as justification, so surely then you dfeated your own arguement. You need to put things into context and analyse why OAP`s are in such poverty, why the NHS is failing, why public transport is so poor. These things need government and commercial investment, they receive very little. Instead money is spent on weapons, tax cuts for the people who need them least and lost in the general chaos of modern bureaucracy. Its very well to nominate a scapegoat but the fact is immigrants financially and culturally submit a lot more than they take away. PS yeah i forgot my password! Edited by: azrael
The war was needed to rid the world of Sadam. I have other reasons for agreeing with the war which I have spoken in detail about, and have no intention of doing so here as it is not what this thead was about. Any way when its all blown over and the oil starts flowing we will be loaded any way. One more point that is a bit off track. If we had let Turky into the EU earlier they would have been no need for the war, we could have piped the oil straight through there. (this is the only reason that there could be for letting them in) Edited by: Grayham8v
So are you saying the ability to profit from atrocity is reason enough to commit an atrocity? Thats a very twisted mindframe, if you don`t mind me saying so. (bit late now! ) So in short your refusing to back up your opinions? If you have any evidence or rationale post it, no one will care don`t play coy sonny.
blocks! OAPS better off than immigrants? than how the bloody hell do you explain why abu hazam (the hook guy) is paid 1000 a week in benefits for him and his five children and wife when he shouldn' tbe in this country as he has a deportation order, legal aid to help him fight his battle to stay in this country and the fact he is quibbling about not receiving some benifit accounting to 200 a month for three years, gets very quick and FREE NHS treatment ie a new hook costing a small fortune, a private nurse who cares for him daily....my list will go on.... then my gran who has to wait 3 months plus for a eye operation then has to pay for the glasses to help her see afterwards. She has paid taxes all her life, was one of the first generation to pay national insurance to help create the NHS (which i think was a Labour idea)and gets fck all help. it may seem like a harsh example but i don't think asylum seekers should get any help what so ever or be here, harsh again but this country has many failing problems to deal with, NHS, schools, roads, tax, unemployment, policing etc. those first then help others, if we don't do that we as a country are going to go backwards. Using holland as an example some 12% of the population moved out last year to other countries, USA canada etc for a better life fed up of AS coming to scrounge the system.
Why are you having a go at me, surely out of everyone here I support the system least? I`m not sticking up for the irrational way in which the social welfare system is structured, i was pointing out that the amount of money spent on such abuses of the system pale in comparison to other pet projects we have at the moment. Once again I also raise the fact that immigrants give more to our economy than they take. People in government love people like hamza, they act like a big inflatable version of the invisible enermy they like to project into our lives, in fact it wouldn`t at all suprise me if this benefit shambles was orchestrated in order to foster the fascist attitudes required for imperial expansion. Its a classic technique that has repeated itself throughout histiry from the soviets, the nazis right back to the romans. Fear is the single greatest way of managing people, you just keep telling them its all for their own good, to protect them from the bogeymen. But it`s ok you can tell yourself i`m just a conspiracy theorist and forget about it all! Edited by: azrael
cheers i get it from Den I swear me and him should start up our own party and run for government how the hell can our government love him? 4000 a month a lone in benefit? taking up a nurse 24hrs seven days a week who could be used on someone else far more effectively. the fact they want to boot him out. I hardly see it as a diversion tatic as my dad works in social care and see's it day in day out, the AS trying to get as much as they can for free. like a greedy pack of dogs. not talking basics (like a house-you'd be pretty happy with a house if you were a proper AS) i'm talking SKY, cars, designer clothes etc full on take the p*ss luxury. how do immigrants give more than they take? you keep saying this but give no examples they get in the country for free, get housed, get benefit-so they don't have to work, how many asylum seekers do you know who work? big fat close to zero as they make more/easy life on benefit then they would working. this is why people resent them as they see/hear about more who scrounge than work, yes there are a few who work and work hard, i know of a few guys who work in construction (they aren't necessarily AS really) but here for three years from poland, work seven days a week on building yards and will earn more in those three years than they will ever will back home. i don't see anything wrong with that, working in an area that needs the people, plus its all above board and give back the same as we do. and i'm not singling you out but your the only one singing their praises on here
That entire post was spent picking out of what i said, what you WANT me to say. UNDERSTAND, I DON`T SUPPORT THE ME ME ME ATTITUDE OF SOME IMMIGRANTS. However I don`t support the idea that this minority of immigrants are somehow to blame for everything wrong in the world today. Its common knowledge they give more than take, if you can be bothered go and analyse the latest contributions to GDP. Immigrants give more because its the way capitalism works. You create surplus value on goods/services you produce, this money is then sucked into the system. You then receive a wage much smaller than this amount as compensation for your time. Seeing as many more immigrants are working than are claiming benefits it is thus logical that they contribute more than they take.
