16 valve engines - OEM, tuned + race outputs

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  1. RobT

    RobT Forum Junkie

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    Interesting bit of inside info today from a mate who had an inside track right to the heart of the Seat BTCC campaign - engine costs for a single Toledo BTCC car for a single weekend, providing no major damage, so 'general' wear and tear - 8K. Engine alone.

    Thats some serious running cost.

    Incidently - total cost for a front running Division 1 British Champ rallycross car for a weekend - 30K!.....again assuming no major damage.......

    Staggering.
     
  2. Breadfan83 Forum Member

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    Just stumbled upon this thread...

    The ACE engine was first used in the earlier models of the Audi 80. It was a special edition, homologation streetvehicle for their Audi 80 race-car.

    Full name: Audi 80 quattro Competition.

    The first series of Comps. had the 2.0 16v ACE engine, the later ones had the 6A. Dunno if you can still correct the sheets in the first few posts, but as far as I know the info above ^^ is correct.
     
  3. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    It's easy to correct the first pages - no problem there.

    I will update the ACE to reflect Audi 80. Did the A4 ever have and ACE? Or just BTCC/STW cars?

    The ACE, as far as I know, came after the 6A?
     
  4. Dave

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    Crikey Boss, I've told you before:

    Audi 100 6A.

    Followed by:

    Audi 80 6A.

    Followed by:

    Audi 80 ACE.

    A4s never had a 16V 2.0l motor. The 1.8l 20V was used instead.

    BTCC A4s used the 1.8l motor, with one inlet valve not operational.

    But, they still won! Even with 75kg of penalty weights.
     
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  5. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    Thank you :thumbup:

    Thought as much :thumbup:

    The Touring Car regs were crystal clear in that an engine could be sourced from elsewhere within a manufacturer range. There were other examples of this around too, possibly Volvo, poss Toyota, so definitely not cheating!
     
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  7. Dave

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    I edited out the big cheat thing![:$]

    Cos. Audi don't cheat!;)
     
  8. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    Crikey edit, Engineering Boss! You were on a roll there, I was working my way out of that one! :p

    Have you not seen this thread?
     
  9. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    They do a little bit! They had much grumbling from competitors about the front suspension on the A4s, deviating from the OE concept they had to stick to, but got away with it! Booooooooooo!
     
  10. Dave

    Dave Pedantic Old Fart Paid Member

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    Cors. I've seen it!

    Good clean cheating if you ask me!:thumbup:
     
  11. Dave

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    IIRC. Audi just substituted solid equal length wishbones, for the multilink wishbones (sic), of the standard cars?;)

    Just like the front wishbones on a S*** **!:thumbup:
     
  12. geordiegar Forum Member

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    How about a table of specs and verified outputs for members cars Chris? Very interested to see if the game has moved on since the days of BRM, GTi Engineering etc, and we should have some reliable figures in a couple of weeks from Eddie.
     
  13. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    At least it wasn't a Seat Ibiza engine! That would have been cheating to the point of rudeness!

    "The suspension has to follow the principles of production, although Audi's rivals disputed this in 1996, Ingolstadt's view prevailed with the FIA and the A4s continued to use a replacement double-wishbone system...."

    (VW Audi Car, Sept '97).
     
  14. Breadfan83 Forum Member

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    The A4 never had an ACE engine as far as I know. Could be that it had one in the US or somewhere outside Europe that I don't know of...

    The ACE was used from juli 1992 till december 1995.
    The 6A was used august 1990 till juli 1992.

    This was all in the Audi 80, never in the A4.

    And you're right, the 6A came before the ACE. I typed things backwards. [8(]
    I've gotten all the info a few years ago from this list: http://www.gerritspeek.nl/vag-com_motorcode.html
     
  15. romaingirardlamamy

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    Hi guys
    here are some oettinger infos
    from 1986 oettinger started to develop some kit for the vw head

    1.8 based engine (KR)
    143 BHP @6500 rpm , 175 Nm @5000rpm*
    150 BHP @6500 rpm , 175 Nm @5350rpm
    162 BHP @6800 rpm , 176 Nm @5600rpm
    this one was the most succesfull because affordable and efficient
    one inlet cam+pulley , one 4/2/1 exhaust manifold , a new rear box and an inlet system modification at the time the kit were sold 13730 french francs fitted

    2.0 based engine 1.8 (KR)
    engine sized increased 82 x 94.5 max revs was reduced @6500 rpm
    170 BHP @6100 rpm , 203 Nm @5200rpm*
    182 BHP @6500 rpm , 205 Nm @5500rpm

    *the base engine was 16v with cat converter (germany and suitzerland)
    which i suspect the other version might be without cat
    hope that help
     
  16. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    Thanks Romain, all added to post 2.

    I think the 181bhp engine is the "2000E". Do you have any names for the other conversions?

    Many thanks.
     
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  18. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    Just checked - it's this one:

    FRONTVIEW2.JPG

    16V Scirocco donor engine, rebuilt by BR Motorsport, Mahle pistons, 'O' rings, no capacity or c/r given. Two stage nitrous.
     
  19. Brookster

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    John's mk1 :thumbup:

    265bhp with Gas 185bhp NASP [:D]

    One of these days i will get myself a White MK1
     
  20. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    Pre-production 16v head - following a conversation with Romain @ the London Rolling Road Day yesterday:
    16Vpre-prodheadVWM7-84p430.JPG

    Helical gears, RHS, not chain drive. Romain mentioned a possibilty of Oettinger involvement in design?
     

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